Recent Global Cooling Controversy

by metatron 236 Replies latest jw friends

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    adamah:

    DON'T look at the ice mass, as most viewers are going to do. Instead, take a point on the landmass (green, say the tip of the penisula) in the lower RIGHT corner of one of the pixs and take another point (say, one of the brown islands) in the lower right corner of the same pix, and measure the distance between these two points on your screen. Now, measure those same two fixed points on the other image, and compare their distances.

    Comparing straight-line measurements of landmasses on different parts of the globe (or the same part of the world from a different perspective) receding away from the viewer does not give a reliable indication of scale, because the landmasses are on a curved surface. However, features nearer the center of the images (i.e. near the part of the 'globe' nearest the viewer) are the same size but with different rotation (about 6.8 degrees anticlockwise for Banks Island and Victoria Island in northern Canada). The zoom factor is the same for both images. As previously stated, the images have slightly different rotation, but the elements you labeled '1' and '3' are not applicable, and the different rotation is not enough to make the icemass 'appear' significantly larger.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    adamah:

    I'm wondering if this is yet another example of more willingness of journalists' willingness to doctor the evidence to downplay the effect of GCC....

    No, it's just showing that the author of the article doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather.

  • mP
    mP

    Jeffro

    What? Even more informed than mP's 'fat people in the lounge' theory??

    mP:

    You telling big fat lies like your father Satan the Devil !!!

    Stretching the truth, puttting words into other peoples mouths eh. I was only making an observation why some people are uncomfortable. I never said their discomfort was the cause of climate change. You know that very well. You pathetic little liar.

  • mP
    mP

    Jeffro:

    Climate change is measured by climate scientists using obvserational data, not by asking fat people what their lounge room feels like.

    mP:

    Never claimed it was. Brinjen said it was hotter the last 3 summers, and yet theres no such material on the bom.gov.au website. I couldnt find any temp records in a simple format to digest.

    She said the rest of australia disagrees with me, and yet it turns out it was her opinion. Why claim to represent everyone when its just your thoughts ? I guess thats the sort of truth stretching you learnt in your father Satan the Devils school of talking snakes!@

  • mP
    mP

    Jeffro:

    No, it's just showing that the author of the article doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather .

    mP:

    So why dont you criticize graphs showing 2 summers as "proof" of cc ?

    I wonder if it could be because ... the poster ... was ...

  • besty
    besty

    @mP - what graphs showing 2 summers are you talking about?

  • besty
    besty

    @mP

    Brinjen said it was hotter the last 3 summers, and yet theres no such material on the bom.gov.au website. I couldnt find any temp records in a simple format to digest. She said the rest of australia disagrees with me, and yet it turns out it was her opinion.

    http://climatecommission.gov.au/report/off-charts-extreme-january-heat-2013/

    The heatwave affecting Australia in late December and early January brought extreme heat to most of the Australian continent over a sustained period.

    Temperatures above 40°C and 45°C were unprecedented in their extent across the continent, breaking new records for Australian averaged maximum temperatures.

    The heat was also unprecedented in its duration.

    Did you fail to notice the weather outside your window this summer? Too busy trying to work out how hot fatass people in front of TV's might be feeling?...unless you have primary evidence of that personally?

  • adamah
    adamah

    Jeffro said-

    Comparing straight-line measurements of landmasses on different parts of the globe (or the same part of the world from a different perspective) receding away from the viewer does not give a reliable indication of scale, because the landmasses are on a curved surface. However, features nearer the center of the images (i.e. near the part of the 'globe' nearest the viewer) are the same size but with different rotation (about 6.8 degrees anticlockwise for Banks Island and Victoria Island in northern Canada). The zoom factor is the same for both images. As previously stated, the images have slightly different rotation, but the elements you labeled '1' and '3' are not applicable, and the different rotation is not enough to make the icemass 'appear' significantly larger.

    The differences you mention actually make the point that the photos are comparing apples and oranges, and obviously the rotation of the Earth is going to alter the effect of the SIZE comparion, esp considering the inevitable 'fish-eye effect of the lens.

    Look at the curvature of the horizon. Look at the chain of islands in the far background, noting how their relationship is altered due to the different location of the satellite (possible fish-eye effect of the lens having an effect). Heck, look at the Aleutian Islands, and notice how their Southern-most portion borders on the upper image, but a similar location appears about 25% into the lower image. The land mass shown on the right photo includes land that is much more South of the view shown on the left (cropped/centered differently). Notice the difference in EXPOSURE, where the upper image is DARKER (under-exposed) compared to the lower.

    ALL of these differences indicate a false comparion is being made between the two photos (for reasons that you and I don't know), but IF the combined graphic was assembled by the newspaper, OR the images were cherry-picked by the newspaper to EXAGGERATE the effect, then it doesn't look good for their credibility and eyebrows SHOULD be raised. If the composite image was provided by NASA, etc, then the blame is on them for failing to provide photo evidence that allow a valid size comparison. That's kind of the point: who created the composite image?

    Obviously the best way to lie is not with facts, but via slightly altering evidence via Photoshop, etc. It easier to exaggerate such differences with such subtle manipulation of images, and if the newspaper is as biased on the GCC issue as Besty says, it's not out of the realm of possibilities; I wouldn't put ANYTHING past a mainsteam rag like the Daily Mail that is more driven by concerns of generating massive page views, creating titillating headlines, etc.

    But please don't tell me there's NOT a difference in the images when I can see it with my own eyes, and even measure the difference between what SHOULD be two apparently equilinear points in the images (even accounting for differences in parallax, "fish-eye" effects of the lens, etc).

    Adam

  • Glander
    Glander

    Sort of like picking and choosing data (if not outright altering it) into a computer climate modeling program to influence the model.

    You can always come out later and "roll back" conclusions based on such flawed prophesies.

  • steve2
    steve2

    Which goes to show that people can still vigorously disagree even when they are presented with the exact same information - it depends on which part of that information you focus on, among other things.

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