How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them? (page 31)

tec

Okay, just talking about the bible then, TT2C... God is speaking DIRECTLY and SPECIFICALLY to Ezekial in that quote. You understand this right? Ezekiel was being sent specifically by God to prophecy against the Israelites for their wickedness. God gave Ezekiel a scroll to eat (prophecy... same as John was given one to eat in Revelation)

God gave Ezekiel a specific task and He even gave Ezekiel the words to say.

If murder was clearly a sin, why did god have to put it in the Ten Commandments?

Becaues their hearts were too hard to HEAR or for the law to be written upon them. They had shown this, and so they needed something to SEE. Something specific to obey, because they didn't come by it naturally. (speaking in general here)

TEC the point is not that someone should have known it was wrong the point is that the god of the bible is a hypocrite who can't accept responsiblity for his failures

There is no connection here.

Also if Christ has set the record straight than how come the millions that profess belief in him can hardly agree on the meaning of many of his riddles?

Because not everyone who professes belief IS listening to Him or even following Him (over men and religion). Even among those how have left men and religion, there is baggage that takes time, sometimes, to be shed, from those former chains (yokes) and teachings; doctrines; rules.

Peace, tammy

tec

How about you actually try answering the challenge about your ACTUAL statement Adamah, instead of continuing to deflect?

God does NOT change. Men, however, DO. God has ALWAYS been how CHRIST showed Him to be. ALWAYS.

You are the bible believer far more than I am. I, as I have stated for how many times I am not sure... follow CHRIST, as CHRIST is the TRUTH and IMAGE and WORD of God. I'm not sure you (and some others) understand what that means?

Stop looking at men; at religion; at the bible (which scriptures can be understood if you are looking at them with the eyes that CHRIST gives, not man)... and start looking at CHRIST. If you want the truth.

Peace,

tammy

adamah

TEC said-

Stop looking at men; at religion; at the bible (which scriptures can be understood if you are looking at them with the eyes that CHRIST gives, not man)... and start looking at CHRIST. If you want the truth.

LOL!

As predicted in my post from the last page, TEC took my advice and went with the latter option:

Adam said-

At this point, shouldn't you go with either your trademark "lying scribes" defense, or even the "Jesus told me" appeal to Divine Authority schtick?

Adam

PS check my last post from the prior page, TEC, as I edited it to add info after you posted.

PSS did you ever get around to looking up the meaning of Noah's name, and the fulfillment of the prophecy of the name? That's fun.

tec

Yes, your edit has you continuing to ignore Cain and Abel, and the actual words written about the sin of spilling his brother's blood.

Peace,

tammy

tootired2care

God gave Ezekiel a specific task and He even gave Ezekiel the words to say.

Yes and Paul seems to have concluded that after running the (works based preaching/evangelizing ) race he was free of the blood of all men so the scope of what ezekiel stated went well beyond just ezekiel. The fact that those words were published for millions to see and imitate means that it's an unavoidable reality for a bible believer.

I can't help but notice that you keep avoiding this question are you ever going to answer it?

What are Christians supposed to be warning others about exactly?

adamah

Yes, your edit has you continuing to ignore Cain and Abel, and the actual words written about the sin of spilling his brother's blood.

LOL! So, how do you explain away the two passages in Romans I cited (Ch 4 and 5)? Was Paul just talking out of his arse, yet another Christian who makes up theology on the fly after getting caught in an irresolvable Biblical contradiction?

Adam

tec

Paul was GIVEN his assignment, TT2C. Paul killed Stephen (or gave his approval to the killing) and then started persecuting the rest of those who belong to Christ.

"But the Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man (Paul, edit mine) is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kinds annd before the people of Israel. I will show him how much he must suffer for my name."

So it depends upon what they are given to warn others about... and most often to their (supposed) own; because as Paul also said: (God will judge those outside the church). Or simply speaking the truth against the lies that others state, when you hear of those lies. (Lies like: God is going to murder you... God wants you to shun your own flesh and blood... God wants you to make a blood sacrifice of your children - as the wts teaches... etc, etc.)

Peace,

tammy

tec

YOU are moving the goalposts of this discussion, Adamah. Murder (bloodshed) is clearly wrong and a sin from the account of Cain and Abel. Cain was warned by God against the sin crouching at his door, and God rebuked Cain for what he had done, and Cain had to suffer the consequences of his sin. (just because his punishment was not as harsh, has nothing to do with whether it was a sin or not, and clearly written as such)

God did not permit eye for eye (as Christ also teaches; go figure)... and Lamech seems to have taken that for granted and used it to his own ends. Though it was Lamech who announced that... and not God.

So that the law eventually became eye for eye (though what is permissable is not always what is BEST, or even what is TRUTH, as Christ also shows when he counters eye for eye... because the heart of the law has always been love, mercy) due to the failings/hard-heartedness of MAN.

It was the best that man could do. (except for those men who proved that the law was written upon their hearts - the law of love - for they did what was required by THAT law, naturally)

Peace,

tammy

tec

As predicted in my post from the last page, TEC took my advice and went with the latter option:

I didn't take your advice, love.

It is simply true.

You have been asking 'PER THE BIBLE' and so I responded as such.

But the TRUTH is Christ... and even that IS 'per the bible'... and the disciples did not understand what was written in the scriptures until He opened the scriptures to them. Eyes to see; ears to hear.

Peace,

tammy

tootired2care

"At that time those slain by the Lord will be everywhere—from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground." - Jerimiah 25:33

14 "The great day of the LORD is near near and coming quickly. The cry on the day of the LORD is bitter; the Mighty Warrior shouts his battle cry.
15 That day will be a day of wrath a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness
16 a day of trumpet and battle cry against the fortified cities and against the corner towers.
17 “I will bring such distress on all people that they will grope about like those who are blind, because they have sinned against the LORD.
Their blood will be poured out like dust and their entrails like dung. 18 Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them on the day of the LORD’s wrath.”
In the fire of his jealousy the whole earth will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live on the earth" - Zephaniah 1:14-17 NIV

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. Matthew 5:17

"15....He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords."...17. And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.” - Rev 19

As these texts cleary show the bible certainly does speaks of an extermination, and Jesus had plenty of opportunities to set the record that he himself carefully studied straight, yet he didn't. I suppose your going to have an answer for why these texts equate to unicorns and cotton candy though...

The point is that the god of the bible just can't seem to own up to his failures in leadership, if people choose freedom instead of groveling to him he exterminates them. He did it in the flood, with the nations around israel to isreal itself and eventually to everyone per the bible. The thing is no one likes bowing down to a despot, it will never work. Even a great number in heaven could no longer stand his despotism. Like an angry child lashing out he always resorts back to violence, but this next time he is blaming it on others for not doing enough warning work.

The god of the bible is a monster, and you still havn't answered my earlier question.

How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

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