How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them? (page 14)

cofty

If only we could figure out a way to terminate these lives - before the great tribulation - then these folks will be resurrected.

It's a very logical point NewYork44M

ablebodiedman

How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

How do non-believers defend a government that their society voted for, who have murdered millions of innocent people, just so they can get their hands on more oil and force them to buy resources in their own currency?

Millions of innocent people are being murdered anyway!

I think it would be great if god exterminated the murders and the people who voted for them.

End result = No more murder!

abe

latinthunder

So you're saying god isn't concerned for your well being?

No, I am saying that, like electricity, God will always be what he is and do what he does irrespective of our interactions with Him. We, as a species, have the capacity to educate ourselves on the nature of the higher forces in the universe, that's by design. To an ignorant person electricity could be considered a monster of unspeakable evil. The same goes for God.

Seraphim23

My answer to the header question is that the God I believe doesn’t kill billions. A, because Old Testament stories where he kills large numbers are either parabolic stories and historically not accurate or are the result of cause and effect through selfish actions. To illustrate, God is sometimes said to cause judgement as if it were direct as with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, but really it was a result of the Jewish people not showing love to their enemies (the Romans) to forgive them. The law of cause and effect in other words set up by God, and thus attributed by to God in a semi metaphorical way. B, those killed directly are killed only due to saving the lives of others, and C, physical death isn’t really ultimate death anyway, as no one really dies except physically. The dead are alive to God. Not all Christians will agree with me, but it is my view.

cofty

God will always be what he is and do what he does irrespective of our interactions with Him - Latinthunder

Then your god is not worthy of my respect.

I think you have a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome. You sound like an abused wife trying to justify her abuser's behaviour.

cofty

C, physical death isn’t really ultimate death anyway, as no one really dies except physically - Seraphim

This is precisely the excuse that religious fanatics have used for thousands of years to justify their genocides.

Welcome to a long line of moral monsters.

cofty

Millions of innocent people are being murdered anyway! - Ablebodiedman

Ah the, "god isn't any worse than....." defense.

Such low expectations for an all loving deity.

NewYork44M

logical but very sad... but it is what it is.

The watchtower logic is that those that died in 9/11 were the lucky (pardon my French) ones. Because everone else will soon die at Armageddon with no hope of resurrection; these victims are at least promised the resurrection. That is unless some hapless witness offered a Watchtower and they rejected the offer.

I hope you find this offensive, because I sure do.

adamah

LatinThunder said-

Fear of God is similar to fear of the power of electricity. If I approach a peice of electrical equipment, I don't carelessly start messing with wires. I consult a manual and/or acquire the aid of a professional. I don't fear that electricity is going to punish me for not believing in it. I fear electricity because it's lethal force isn't concerned with my well being. It's just being what it is and doing what it does. Without proper reverence for higher powers catastrophes result.

So, you're saying that God is forced to follow the natural laws He (allegedly) set into motion, eg He is bound by the law of gravity, must follow electromagnetic principles, etc?

Then God is not actually "omnipotent", is He? For if God is confined by His own laws, His hands are pretty much tied.....

How did God perform miracles, then? Aren't miracles defined as exception to natural physical laws? How do you square the inevitable nature of punishment with the scripture that says, "with God, all things are possible?"

The same goes for when Christians claim that God cannot violate His moral law and principles: then He's not exactly omnipotent, is He?

(and let's just overlook for a minute where God routinely orders mortals to violate His own God-given laws, as only ONE example, where God orders Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a loyalty test in Genesis 22, thus ordering him to violate His Divine Command prohibiting bloodshed, handed down to ALL mankind after the Flood in Genesis 9.)

The message running thoughout the Bible is clear: "Might Makes Right", and God makes the rules, so you'd better do what the priests say that God wants you to do, and you MIGHT be allowed to live (if you plead and beg). You didn't learn THAT lil' lesson from your time spent behind the bars of JW mental penitentary, huh?

Adam

Finkelstein

" Great now I've got over a billion Muslims to kill and probably just as many atheists, why the hell didn't I start this sooner ? "

I'm going to go through a lot of ammo before this is all done.

There's got to be a more efficient way to kill people, what did God do back in the biblical times of ancient Israel ?

How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

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