If the big change at the AGM meeting is dropping the literal 144,000...

by slimboyfat 88 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/261123/1/RED-ALERT-FOR-JULY-15TH-STUDY-on-SUNDAY#4832462

    Very interesting SBF. Many of us think that this is a very real possibility, with no real downside.

    [ So the 1914 Generation is all but gone. People are getting restless. 2014 is coming, the 100th anniversary of Christ supposedly coming to power. The WTBTS is battling pedophile cases, breaking the law in Australia, spouting hate-speech, and being called out for it. They are in need of money and free labor. They have already said that ALL CHRISTIANS ARE DOMESTICS. The GB/FDS know what we know. It would be very easy to say that all Christians should partake regardless of their hope. Since the sheeple have not reached this conclusion through study, but are simply doing what they are told, it will acconplish some important things for the WTBTS, especially since the sheeple believe that ONLY the GB are the FDS. So Only those at World Headquarters, DIRECTLY INVOLVED in dispensing food ( printing literature ) are the FDS, remember that point.

    1) Ditching 1914 and spinning 1919/adopting 586/87 would further distance CTR's teachings and solidify Rutherford's ramblings, which most really know nothing about anyway. Emphasizing 1935 could be a windfall later on down the road by linking it with the 120 years of Noah, thereby buying time for the next "generation" of overlapping "anointed."

    2) By having all partake, along with the new GB/FDS teaching ( that's important ) the mystique will be removed from partaking. Remember that all 1st century Christians were partakers and domestics! Even so, the vast majority were NOT in positions of authority, aka Elders, CO's and DO's. So it would make sense that you can partake and not have authority because the WTBTS already teaches this about the 1st century Congregation. The flock can partake and not feel that they have a heavenly hope, because after all, not everyone in the nation of Israel were the priests. A huge " angel of light " factor in my opinion, will be that having all the flock partake will give them what every JW is missing. That is a feeling of closeness with Jesus. That could be the spiritual security blanket that seals the deal, so to speak.

    The next logical move in my opinion would be changing the literal 144,000 teaching to a symbolic one. This would dovetail perfectly with the overlapping generation doctrine. If the 144,000 is symbolic, then there is no way to know how many are left, or when the number will be filled. It will be a " wait on Jehovah" scenario. The overlapping of subsequent generations of annointed could continue indefinitely if the 144,00 is symbolic.

    3) It will be easier to identify "apostates." Once the sheeple believe that ONLY the GB is the FDS, and that all domestics partake, thereby removing the mystique of partaking, spotting an "apostate" or "sons of the wicked one" will be a piece of cake. The sheeple won't wonder whether Brother or Sister partaker have Jehovah's spirit operating on them, or if they may know something that they don't. They won't secretly consider the questions that a non-GB, or non-Elder partaker brings up regarding problems in the Organization. They won't have to! The playing field will be leveled! All partake as domestics, and ONLY the GB are the FDS and they do not keep track of anointed ones, how could they, the 144,000 is symbolic! Besides they do not consult with NON-FDS anointed! This solidifies the one true channel instead of weakening it.

    If you do not agree with the GB/FDS, if you do not listen, obey and be blessed, immediately, you are the "evil slave" or a son of the "wicked one." The proof is that the GB/FDS can never become the " evil slave " as taught in the latest WT articles. How could Jesus appoint an "evil slave" over his " domestics?" Impossible! Consider too, that ONLY those who follow the channel "progress" in the Organization. This will further "prove" who has Jehovah's blessing and who could be an apostate in Satan's kitchen!

    If they did do something like this, it would work. My true belief is that it would only be temporary, but it would buy them time, make the overlapping generation seem more plausible ( as long as they NEVER mention Job 42:16 ), and take the glory and mystery out of partaking, while at the same time buying the Corporation more time. They would also seem less cultish and more mainstream to " False Religions" when out in service. Having partakers in field service would go a long way in combatting the " you don't believe in Jesus " objection. This is one of the main reasons that many refuse to listen to Jw's at the door. With their new found relationship with Jesus, sanctioned by the FDS of course, the preaching work would get a much needed shot in the arm of Holy Spirit! How happifying in these " last days " of the " last days." ]

    They GB/FDS could do it. The JW's would gobble it up, and beg for more. All could partake and the "sealing" of the symbolic 144,000 is up to Jehovah (tm). Surely, any who disagree with the ONE CHANNEL, or are critical in any way of the GB/FDS and Organization are not in line to be sealed. They are likely false apostles, bordering on apostasy. These should be avoided at all costs in view of the imminent arrival of the Great Tribulation.

    DD

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Rmt1, AMEN! All hail the Emperor!

  • TD
    TD
    It should be noted that practically every other significant change in recent years has similarly been forced and is in reaction to events.
    Allowing fractions of blood = forced by medical advances and associated legal challenges

    Well not to hijack your otherwise great thread SBF, but I think the allowance of fractions is an exception to the rule. Plasma fractions were allowed in 1958. That was a long damn time ago. Over the last 50 odd years, more and more fractions have gradually been allowed.

    The change in 2000 paved the way for the acceptance of hemoglobin based blood substitutes which were just reaching the point of human clinical trials at the time and that actually showed a certain degree of foresight on the part of JW leaders and policy makers.

  • rmt1
    rmt1

    Well, that would sure cheapen my own recollections of the memorial, and I'm out a while. TWS Last Days scales as Zeno's Arrow.

  • respectful_observer
    respectful_observer
    That phrasing in the Dec. 15th WT is really strange. Especially the part specifcally targeting the "faithful apostles" as an example of who is anointed.

    I noticed that reference as well, so perhaps that leaves the door open for the GB to actually stick to a literal 144,000, but excuses the increasing number of partakers. All they have to say is:

    "The light gets brighter TM . Those in the 1st century had the understanding that they ALL had the heavenly hope. However, over time Jehovah's spirit revealed that, in fact, it was those he'd entrusted with oversight of the Christian congregregation while on Earth that would also be anointed to serve as co-rulers in heaven. Those overseers would humbly recognize that their short time on Earth shepherding their fellow Christians would in fact act as preparation for their heavenly assignment of co-ruling with Jesus during his Millenial Reign. Millions of true Christians live during the last days of this system, certainly many more than the thousands of faithful Christians in the 1st century. Logically, Jehovah's perfect rulership would recognize that Jesus' "co-rulers" should proportionally represent those faithful Christians on earth-- each knowing what trials and pressures his contemporary fellow Christians faced. What a loving provision from Jehovah! As it was for modern-day Christians who first realized their hope was earthly and not heavenly, how rewarding it will be for those non-anointed faithful 1st century Christians to be resurrected to a Paradise Earth, knowing that a few of their 1st century brothers are watching over them in Heaven!"

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos
    Plasma fractions were allowed in 1958.

    Technically some JWs have been taking in fractions a lot longer than that. You'll recall that at the Last SupperFirst Annual Memorial, Jesus told his apostles and Judas Iscariot, who was half out the door, to drink, for "this means my blood fractions mixed with water". Oops, that was from my Revised New World Translation advance copy, pretend you didn't see that.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    TD you are right blood fractions have been accepted for a log time. As I recall, according to In Search of Christian Freedom, in the 1970s the Watchtower had told haemophiliacs they couldn't take factor 8. But the branch was inundated with calls from people with haemophilia and they began to tell people on on individual basis that they could accept the treatment, but the ban on the fraction was not officially retracted in print until some time later. In the meantime brothers who did not contact the branch, and were unaware of the new policy, suffered under an old out of date ruling. So in that case the Society was slow to correct itself and only reacted when under pressure from the volume of enquiries to clarify their position.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Well, I hope it's something big, but I won't get my hopes up. I am sure the meeting will be all about how progressive the ORG is, and include lots of stories about foreign assignments. That's where the growth is after all. It will be love, love, the end is soon, ORG, ORG, GB/FDS loyalty, ect. I am sure they will toot their horns and ask for money too.

    The GB/FDS will probably make the loving provision of allowing sisters to wear denim.

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    I dont see them doing a damn thing except a new bible if even that, These Guys think their all that and dont see a need to do anything. Remember the sheeple are not questioning en mass or falling away en mass. Not to mention last years memorial talk given at my hall was given by a bethelite and he was adamant about not partaking, even lying about Judas not being at the first meal. So it seems as though they really want a distiction between classes not the other way around.

  • SloppyJoe
    SloppyJoe

    I think the AGM is going to be a major let down for us. Nothing big will come out of it. Sure they will have some new light about something meaningless that is invisible or in the future that most dubs will be in awe over, but it will in the end mean nothing. Maybe next year

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