by EndofMysteries 95 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Is the atheist's argument mainly, or firstly, based on what the Bible says or doesn't say?
Both: what it clearly says is barbaric (eg the institution and endorsement of slavery), and what it fails to say is no less barbaric (fundamental human rights, including freedom of thoughts, much less no mention of freedom of speech).
Adam
Is the atheist's argument mainly, or firstly, based on what the Bible says or doesn't say? - Watkins
No, the atheist's argument is based on science. The Bible has nothing to do with it. The scientist doesn't start with wondering what the bible says and then do an experiment based on that. The bible is irrelevant.
Life comes FROM God; proceeding out from Him.
God is the SOURCE of life. He (His energy) brought forth life.
He has no creator because He did not have a beginning. He IS. (I AM)
Science is silent on the subject of the existence of God (for now), but science DOES speak as to the processes of how this universe and the life within it move, adapt, live and die, etc. So its always interesting.
Peace,
tammy
No life does not come from an imaginary god.
There is no need for your superstitious stories to explain the origin of life from non-living matter, or it's subsequent evolution and diversity.
If your god exists then exisiting is all it does. HE/she/it is redundant.
Some intelligent force had to mix up the batter and heat the pan to cook the pancake, IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Then some intelligent force had to put the pancake on the rabbits head. The rabbit could not have managed it on its own.
If this isn't proof of a pancake loving God with a rabbit, what else is it?
Hortensia said-
No, the atheist's argument is based on science. The Bible has nothing to do with it. The scientist doesn't start with wondering what the bible says and then do an experiment based on that. The bible is irrelevant.
Well, I wouldn't go THAT far: to me, the Bible is prime evidence #1 needed to convince anyone that Jehovah, the God of Abraham doesn't exist, eg it's sheer massive internal inconsistencies, illogic, and immorality are all the evidence anyone of sound mind SHOULD need to be convinced that Gods don't exist and it's merely the work of ancient men who lived in a culture along time ago and in a place far, far away (which is where it needs to be relegated, of interest to mostly historians and anthropologists as a relic from an ancient culture, but not worth wasting one's lifetime on as if it has any relevance to modern people).
PS, this is coming from someone with a doctorate in science, who is very familiar with abiogenesis/evo. That stuff is simply icing on the cake to explain how the World REALLY WORKS.
PS GLANDER SAID-
Some intelligent force had to mix up the batter and heat the pan to cook the pancake, IN THE FIRST PLACE! Then some intelligent force had to put the pancake on the rabbits head. The rabbit could not have managed it on its own. If this isn't proof of a pancake loving God with a rabbit, what else is it?
Ahhh, the "argument for God's existence based on pancakes resting on a rabbit", a new atheist's nightmare (well, next to Ray Comfort's bananas argument: I cannot eat those anymore either, and I now need to add pancakes and rabbits to the list).
Adam
I also have a problem with something from nothing, but I'm not
a deep thinker and quantum mechanics is way over my head.
Dr Krauss who was awarded the Nobel Prize stated, "nothing doesn't
mean "nothing" anymore, which can provide a natural explanation
for how even the initial matter and energy to ignite the birth of the
universe can arise from empty space or even in the absence of
space itself.
Steven Weinberg stressed "Science doesn't make it impossible to
believe in God. It however makes it possible to consider a universe
without One".
Tammy,
Yeahhhh. We've all kinda sorta heard all that before and moved on from it. It is embarrassing (and arrogant) that you interject the prayer bead, hail mary, krishna mantra into an otherwise intellectual discussion. Trying to drag us back down the evolutionary ladder, huh? We know it gives you comfort (that warm and fuzzy feeling again we discussed last week), just as counting beads and repeating prayers and chanting mantras do for believers. I do believe in ghosts I do I do I do. I do believe in ghosts I do I do I do. If you repeat it over and over you will continue to reinforce your beliefs and annoy the hell out of everyone else. But Captain Obvious makes a relevant point about such, as he stated that you and others like you are helping the lurkers and others with doubt move away from theism. So maybe you should just continue and I should develop more tolerance.
We know you feel and believe these things. We truly do; we were on that side once.
thank you for stating this simply: " If your god exists, then exixting is all it does." but
"--- he/she/it is redundant" does not logically follow because the last statement deals with the present, future,
whereas the discussion about the origin, the existence of time, space, energy, matter, life, human thinking is of the past.
It has happened.
The fact that it works and
we now know how it, nature, worked/es better and better does not mean that it
is is not work, and well done.
work so well done that it is on autopilot and allows the creator now"- to only exist-", hidden.
may be it planned, likes it that way.
religious fantasies notwithstanding.
does the creator have to be god too?
no snide remarks please.
the last statement deals with the present, future, whereas the discussion about the origin
Perhaps god blew herself to smithereens in the big bang.
