Does the Spirit (who is Christ) speak, and how?

by tec 160 Replies latest members private

  • cofty
    cofty

    Your thread is about your claims that you receive messages from the spirit world so my question is entirely on topic and, as yet, entirely unanswered.

    Your defense against being labelled as a spirit medium seems to be the question about whether the source of your messages are alive or dead.

    This is a red herring.

    According to you, people who have died have not really dead. You have described it many times in a way that is identical to Platonic mind-body dualism. A person's spirit is imprisoned in their body during physical life and released at physical death. The spirit lives on as fully conscious as it ever was. (I intend to post a new thread on this harmful belief when I get time)

    According to Jesus the faithful who died physically are already alive - "But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ He is not the God of the dead but of the living.” - Matt 22:31,32

    It would follow that receiving a communication from the spirit of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or my great aunt Mabel is not a message from a dead person but from the living. To say otherwise is to go put the OT over Jesus' revelation.

    Your defense that it is ok to communicate with live spirits but not with the dead must therefore also apply to communcating with my great aunt Mabel.

    As for your definition of "medium" it is still not clear what your point is.

    You receive messages from a the spirit you call christ and you pass those on to others. A number of times recently, even in this thread, you have told me that the spirit has asked me a question via your mediumship.

    You frequently post new threads that begin with grandiose pronouncements for everybody from christ the spirit.

    You may see a difference between what you are doing and the practices of a spirit medium but the distiction exists only in your own mind.

  • confusedandalone
    confusedandalone

    " The only answer I can draw is I am not one of the good sheep they want in their fold."

    Well doesn't the bible say that he calls those he wants? SO apparently he doesn't want everyone. If he wanted everyone there would be no need for the scripture to have been written. SO he must not want you for one reason or another - just like he doesn't want me or the 2/3 of the earth who are not Christians. Once you start putting real flesh on what the bible says it makes less and less sense that this could possibly be a universal book for all humans that is absolute truth. It is a book written to support the beliefs of a small group of people who feel they are somehow special. Just like every other group of people. THe only difference is that this particular belief system and book is the one the Roman Empire settle upon to unify its subjects.

    You could just as easily be wondering why Osiris hasn't called you had someone thought that the beliefs of the Egyptians would be a greater unifying factor.

  • Heartofaboy
    Heartofaboy

    Hi Tammy, can you ask Jesus that talks to you if he noticed the little kids being shredded to pieces in the Phillipines by the 235mph Haiyan typhoon?

    If he didn't notice, then why not?

    If he did notice, did he just sit & watch?

    Hoab

  • unstopableravens
    unstopableravens

    heart of a boy: first off i dont not agree with tec theoglogy wise, however i can offer you this, atheist and believer both, are saddened such events. the best seromon i have ever heard on these kinds of topics is called "if god why evil"mr geisler (spelling of his name may be off). check it out.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Unstop if you were so impressed by the sermon then this would be a great opportunity for you to share the main points. We are all looking at tv pictures today that strongly suggest theism is a delusion.

    Why not start a new thread and use Mr Geisler's sermon to tell us why there can be a benevolent creator and a natural disasters?

  • confusedandalone
    confusedandalone

    " heart of a boy: first off i dont not agree with tec theoglogy wise"

    By looking at this statement I can gather two things:

    1. You are both saved I am supposing so how can one of you have a correct theology and the other not have the correct theology. Especially if GOD communicates with the two of you. THis would mean one of you has it wrong

    2. If both of you are right then that means that anyone who believes anything could also be right as well. SO how do we cross this bridge?

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    confusedandalone, thanks for validating my point. I was looking for a more challenging response from Tammy, or other believers. Perhaps there is no response to that. I am a bad girl never to be forgiven.

    So be it

    Kate xx

  • confusedandalone
    confusedandalone

    @Kate - any response given will be empty... it will all depend on you accepting some answer that is full of whimsical fluff and mysticism.

    It will sound intelligent and heartfelt to a non-thinking person or someone that just wants to believe that bible god is somehow fair when in actuality it just isn't true. It is fine if a person chooses to believe that, bt they should atleast accept the fact that the bible proves the exact opposite. bible god specifically shows his hatred for those that had no way of knowing exactly who he was.

    He hated those Egyptians didn't he. Yet how were they to know who he was when his own captive people didn't know. The guy just doesn't act coherently or logically.

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    confused, good point you make. I don't like a lot of what men wrote in the bible. I don't believe it was from God, as I stated in my first post on this thread. If prayer and relationship with God is only based on a book then you have a point.

    Will God chose me as a good sheep if I prove the bible was written by men to control women and the vulnerable? Or will he just ignore me?

  • adamah
    adamah

    TEC said- I... however... am no longer engaging as to the point of 'spirit medium'... quite off topic as to the point of the thread, yet thoroughly addressed anyway.

    WOW, imagine that. TEC creates a classic 'distinction without a difference' in order to grant herself plausible deniability in her mind, only, relying on differences that only she can perceive. Certainly any rational person could be excused for seeing a well-worn pattern in her behavior?

    It would be a shame NOT to learn from the example of TEC (which isn't a message she THINKS she's sharing with others, but can be life-saving, nevertheless). She's not so different from many others who rely on the same exact post-hoc rationalization process in their lives, but rarely as extreme.

    Adam

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