by rebel8 91 Replies latest members adult
I recall a special ( dont you get sick of the mis sue of that word) well yes a special item, talk, whatever that went on about "not having marital relations in the time of the menstrual period". I took a quick glance across the hall. Nearly all were as stunned as i was. and as was my wife!
I thought later who the hell dreamed that one up?
I remain convinced there is something in the water at bethel.
By the way does anyone know what the mainstream Christian view of masturbation is? Is this a JW invention or what? I know they quote that scripture about Onan 'spilling his seed' which is not a story condemning masturbation anyway. It's about a man refusing to perform brother-in-law marriage which was required under the Mosaic law. So do any of you who are church-goers know what mainstream Christianity says about this please?
Yucko, I wouldn't want to have 'marital relations' during my menstrual period anyway because of the mess!!! Eeeeww!!! Not that I want to anyway because I generally feel bloated and crampy...but I offer other services for my husband during that time, but he declines because he'd rather we both shared the joy.
I'm going out now before I get any more annoyed at this revolting cult. My last word on the subject today is that from an evolutionary point of view this is a terribly cruel thing to do to people. We share 97% of our DNA with chimpanzees. According to a documentary I watched, Bonobo chimpanzees have sex every 20 minutes. Is preventing humans from masturbating a big issue or a funny joke to snigger at?
I grew up in the Nathan Knorr era, he was obsessed that masturbation was the source of all evil in humans. Completely unhinged by the subject. You wonder just how screwy his childhood was.
Nathan Knorr was screwed up with everything relating to sex. I can remember as a young teenager in the 1960s (just started studying) that I should not have let my sister’s friend come into our house to wait for my sister to come home, as we were alone for a while. The thought of anything sexual happening between me and my sister’s friend had not even entered the remotest part of my brain until I was told this. While I don’t remember masturbation being openly discussed at meetings, sex was constantly brought up in ways that would make you think, “Oh I hadn’t though of that possibility before”. I often used to think, if they didn’t hammer on about it so much, maybe it wouldn’t be on peoples minds so much. Maybe, it was because Knorr was obsessed with sex and masturbation, and that it his lasting legacy to the WTS.
The guilt and shame piled on made me very miserable about it.
I'd been masturbating for 2 years before i even realised it wasnt something approved of but by then it was fully ingrained and impossible to stop no matter how much i tried.
I remember almost having a nervous breakdown about the guilt of it in my 20s mainly becuase I had (stupidly) made vows many times to god that i wouldnt do it again! Rinse and repeat and you have a recipe for mental breakdown. I continually failed and the failures did nothing to help my mental state.
In the end I chose to avoid prayer altogether for about 4 years as i saw the connection between my failing and my misery. Guilt also made masturbation a useless experience, when without guilt it is a fantastic experience.
As for my efforts at abstinance, I made 3 weeks spanning the period of my baptism age 16 and by sheer bloody willpower i made 42 days when i was courting in my 30s.
No, I souldnt have been having orgasms age 11, no I shouldnt have been addicted to porn (top shelf girly mags, not hardcore as that was very difficult to get hold of in those days) age 13,... but I also shouldnt have been suffering under years of mental abuse and oppression because I couldnt give it up.
Having to sit in a meeting and hear anything about sex, especially masturbation and porn was highly embarrassing, I'd often go bright red and have a panic attack wanting to run out of the hall.
It is highly inappropriate to discuss these things with children there and I hated it.
Yeah I heard he used to lecture the bethel new boys about masturbation and how not to do it and that. I can imagine these naive boys coming in from the country who'd hardly ever thought about it being subjected to that. I mean, why bring it up at all? Who would even know if some kid was doing it in his room? Nathan Knorr was probably like that Fred Phelps guy of the Westboro Baptists who has all his followers making signs saying, "God hates fags" and being totally obsessed with some sexual thing that people wouldn't even normally think about. You get a few of those on the GB and voila! you have all this rubbish about stuff people wouldn't even think about normally.
A good friend of mine had that kind of experience when he was about 13, he had a wet dream and his mother panicked when she saw the stain and called in uber spiritual son in law (no husband you see) who woud have been about 23 at the time to have a chat with him.
BiL gave my 13 year old friend a huge lecture about masturbation, which he hadnt even heard of. .... guess what, he then started masturbating because it had given him the idea.
Yeah that really worked well didnt it.
Keith Casarona, who was at NY Bethel in the 70s said on an earlier thread, “I was in the group that got the first new boy talks in the spring of 1970. There were eight of them and Knorr gave the "sex at Bethel talk" (or why there is no sex, at Bethel talk). I would give a $1,000 bucks for a copy of that talk. There were 53 of us guys and three sisters in there - the girls faces were red. One of the quotes was Knorr saying, "I don't want you to do anything with it for the next four years except pee".
