Religion VS Atheism and the decline of ethics and morals

by EndofMysteries 82 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  wasblind

  " Those who don't believe in any God/ accountability. What are you teaching your kids? "____EOM

  EOM, listen to yourself

  You think people who have different beliefs don't teach themselves or thier children to be accountable ?

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  " How would you teach your a 3 or 4 year old not to steal ?"____EOM

  You teach them ethics, which don't require a certain belief to have

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  There's a thin line between guidance and control

  the same tool that can be used to guide a child

  is the same tool used to control the masses

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  EOM, step back and take a good look at yourself

  Your thoughts are no different than those who enslaved the African natives

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  And thought to enslave and force thier beliefs on them was the " Christian " thing to do

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  DeWandelaar

  Over all these years of humanity wars have started in the name of gods... you even see it in the bible... it wasn't israel versus egypt but Yahweh vs Ra ... it was not Israel vs Canaan... but Yahweh versus Baal.

  In all the times afterwards people came with their pantheon of gods against the pantheon of gods of other nations.

  We even see it these days: footballplayers praying on both sides and claiming that their gods will win.

  It is time humanity learns that we are responsible for our own actions
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  wasblind

  " Not surprising the ten most religious states are in the south "_____DJS

  Exactly DJS

  Here in the states, It was the Southern slave masters who use slavery as a means

  to force thier religious beliefs on others as a means to control them in what was a lucrative business

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  wasblind

  DJS, I don't know where you live

  but here in the south there are also many black people that are doin' fairly well now

  It's not reported in the news becuase that's not what the news want to report
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  jgnat

  http://www.moralfoundations.org/

  They are given a different set of rights and wrongs, that's all. But they are all based on the same moral foundations.

  Note how a liberal, non-religious sensitive will agonize over purchasing a pair of leather shoes (no harm to cows).

  Here's the label on a left-wing, pinko, west-coast, democrat, liberal breakfast cereal, "gluten free, lactose free, vegan, high in iron, high in dietary fibre, source of omega 3 and 6 polyunsaturated fatty acids, source of calcium and protein....all natural ingredients (no GMO)...organic...artisan made...wheat free"

  Don't make the mistake that non-religious have no morals.
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  wasblind

  Here's the flip side to religion in the south

  After the civil war and recontruction era

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  When religion proved no longer useful to control freed men

  The same folks who used it to contol

  started burnin' down black churches

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  DJS

  EOM,

  It is difficult for me to understand how intelligent people can ask such un-intelligent questions. Morals and ethics have nothing to do with relgion. I repeat. Morals and ethics have nothing to do with religion. One more time. Morals and ethics have nothing to do with relligion. Look at the data. Think about it. Why would you ask such questions when the topic, and your questions, have been answered so well so many other times on this forum?
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  cofty

  They are given a different set of rights and wrongs, that's all - Jgnat

  Yes, we never get to say "..because the bible says so". We have to give rational reasons why things are right or wrong.

  No ethics by divine fiat allowed.
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  DJS

  How about this EOM? Start with the man in the mirror. Add if needed that it will go better with you in life to be ethical. It will create a better community, a better state, better nation and better planet. But absent ANY of that; go back to the man in the mirror. This isn't complicated. Your enculturation and indoctrination makes it so. It isn't. It's a freaking light switch. Flip it.
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  A Ha

  Those who don't believe in any God/accountability, what are you teaching your kids? Especially before they can understand what is right and wrong?

  Let's take stealing for example. How would you teach a 3 or 4 year old not to steal, and in a way in which if they were not being watched and could get away with it, that their conscience would kick in?

  Before a child is old enough to understand ethics, you use the same method as when you were religious--you just exchange one phrase for another. As a religious parent you might have said, "Don't take that, God doesn't like stealing." As a non-religious parent you might say, "Don't take that, stealing isn't nice. (or I don't like stealing)"

  Before they're old enough to understand, they're just following the rules you give them. After they're old enough to understand, you still don't have to get right into Locke and Aristotle and Kierkegaard and Kant. A simple version of the Golden Rule (which predated Jesus by at least 500 years in other cultures) will suffice in most situations.

  You're making the mistake of equating God and acocuntability. Even under a religious system, we're all accountable to our family, friends, and communities.