by EndofMysteries 82 Replies latest watchtower bible
We have new, emerging etiquette. Like, don't dare cough in your hand then reach out to shake.
BOTR, I read compulsively as a child. I stopped short of reading the dictionary or the telephone book, but I did read our etiquette book through several times. I would love to set my hubby straight who INSISTS on licking his knife in public, but correcting him, publically, is equally gauche.
Between college and law school, I was overqualified. Everyone assumed I was going to law school. I wish I had known. B.c there was a recession, I worked administrative asst. jobs. I spent my lunch hour crying in the ladies room stall. These jobs did not require high school. I was forbidden to read the New York Times when I did not have work. Yes, I read the dictionary. I never saw why reading the New York Times was worse than reading the dictionary.
Puzzling how a lot of ex-jw jump so readily in defense of secret societies.
Those who justify to feed Christians to the lions don't even deserve an answer.
To deny the involvement of secret societies in the development of world history goes beyond idiocy.
In regards to those who say that there were many cultures before Christianity that is certainly true, not that you would necesarily want to be a citizen in any of them or worse a slave. In fact if you wouldn't want to be a slave in them, it would be hipocritical of you to defend them.
Some Christian leaders may have commited abuses, but there are big differences between countries, so to an extent it must have something to do with the leadership in those countries. For sure Henry VIII, Luther and Napoleon had their own agenda to go against the Church.
Wasblind, I am very sorry about you not knowing about the culture of your ancestors, but Africa is still there, and so is its culture if you are curious about what they believed. The way the slaves were treated was inhuman but it had nothing to do with Christianity.
In any case it was mainly perpetrated by protestants whom had quite a barbaric track record from the very begining including witch-hunts and a tradition of secret societies, all-male, racist and misogynistic. So don't blame all Christianity for what this people did.
Those who justify to feed Christians to the lions don't even deserve an answer.
But you being a condescending patronising arsehole is A-ok though? Still, we all know that it's just because you can't answer difficult questions
ApotstateThunder,
Once again a poster has made a definitive statement that isn't and can't be supported by the data. I'm an ex college prof and will red line such comments every time. To state that the treatment, even the existence, of the African and other area slave trade can't be tied back to Christianity and its leaders is completely wrong. Do some research. The conquistadores and other explorers were embolded and placated by the religious leaders on their sojourns that converting, killing or whatever the indigineous populations in the name of Christ was acceptable, as any fate befalling them was better than what they were going to experience without the forced conversion, slavery, etc. Burning forever in a hell fire.
One of my favorite quotes from Desmond Tutu: When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.
And please don't give the any nonsense about how they weren't real Christians, blah blah blah. They were the guys in charge of Christianity and how it was practied for a couple of thousand years.
Societies, secret and otherwise, have always existed. I just question their relevance. Not an ex-JW here. I'm an ex-civil servant.
People have less understanding of their morals and ethics when these have been dictated to them, such as by a religion, and so are more ready to break their own moral standards. Christianity may provide morals but then gives followers leeway to break them with concepts such as we are sinners that cannot help ourselves, pray for forgiveness or "once saved, always saved." The end result being that there seems little difference between atheists and religious people when it comes to how they act on morals and ethics.
" wasblind, I am very sorry about you not knowing about the culture of your ancestors. But Africa is still there , and so is its culture if you are couriuos about what they believed. ______Apostatethunder
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Keep your apologies
This ain't about apologies OR reparations. Don't turn this into that
what I point out is how you assume Non- believers are heathens without religion
and that they would be made better if they had some
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That's what the southern slave master used as a guise
for free labor
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The way slaves were treated were inhumane , but it had nothing to do with christianity______Apostatethunder
" Chritainity " had everything to do wit slavery. Let me break it down for you.
I'll start off in your own words
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" A lot of people seem to for get our culture is christian "_____Apostate Thunder
That reason alone was used as an excuse to force people to live in a way against thier will
to ensure that the profitable business of slavery would continue to thrive
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The WTS is a spittin' image of the southern slave master
and use the same tactics to keep their slaves sheep in line
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Both the slave and the sheep have have been treated inhumane.
Bein' separated from thier families
by bein' sold off or disfellowshipped and shunned
All under the guise of " christianity "
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Or shall I say
Under what some would percieve as the " Christian " thing to do
An almost humorous footnote to the benefits of having a Christian slave master is in Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass.
Young slave then, Douglass was with a cruel master, Hugh Auld. So irreverent before his conversion at a Methodist camp revival, Master Auld would wait until the Sabbath for to beat "bad" slaves.
Douglass witnessed Auld's conversion and wondered what effect it would have on the man.
After the Lord "saved" him, Hugh Auld beat his slaves on Monday.
I read a slave account that noted that slaves sold to Louisiana plantations were grieved to find that those predominantly Catholic planters tended to work slaves 7 days a week as opposed having to work only 6 days for those of the Protestant denominations.
Religious slaveholders were delicate not to separate and desecrate marriages between slaves by having to sell a husband or wife-
--Solution? Do not allow a "legal" or "church" wedding! Hence the slave custom of "jumping over the broom" to symbolize a union. There was, as a result, immediately following the Civil War a tremendous surge of legitimizing the unions of couples so long denied the dignity of recognition.
There is no end to the hypocrisy needed to buy and force labor from another human being. And Christians proved well able--justified often by their church leaders--many of whom held slaves themselves.
