Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease

by Simon 1524 Replies latest members adult

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  Bungi Bill

  "..... ISIS is doing fine and gaining ground, slipping and sliding in blood and despotism."

  Let us at least pause for a moment and spare a thought for those who, so far, have actually been doing most of the fighting against this abomination

  i.e. the Kurdish fighters in the north, and - in the south - soldiers of the Iraqi army.

  - most, if not all of whom are themselves Moslems.

  While we on this discussion board have achieved little more than clock up "70 pages and heading towards thirty thousand posts" of verbiage, these guys have been there on the ground all along, fighting and dying to contain this menace. Also, according to this morning's report from the Australian Acting Chief of Defence, both the Kurds and the Iraqi army have overall been quite successful in resisting the IS forces - contrary to earlier impressions that came out of Iraq.

  Full marks to those brave men of the Kurdish forces and Iraqi army, plus those of the few allied countries that have bothered to lift a finger to help them!

  It is going to take as lot more than words to defeat this scourge.

  Bill.
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  Gregor

  here, here!

  Meanwhile, they've shown no signs of withdrawing
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  Bungi Bill

  Meanwhile, they've shown no signs of withdrawing.

  That is a bloody-sight better, though, than their continued advancing:

  - which is what they would still be doing, were it not for those that are taking the fight directly to them face to face!

  By the way, the expression is "hear hear!" - NOT "here here!"

  Bill.
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  Simon

  Let me just give you one example. According to a 2009 survey of Arabic language media resources, between 2004 and 2008, no more than 15 percent of al Qaeda's victims were Westerners. That's a terrible toll, but the vast majority were people of Muslim heritage, killed by Muslim fundamentalists.

  ...

  You may now go back to your regularly scheduled confirmation biases.

  The fact that they butcher each other is hardly evidence that they are peaceful is it?

  If anything it proves what a loathesome ideology it is ... and what difference does it make *who* they kill? Does killing more muslims than westerners earn them islam credits or something?
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  Simon

  Full marks to those brave men of the Kurdish forces and Iraqi army, plus those of the few allied countries that have bothered to lift a finger to help them!

  It is going to take as lot more than words to defeat this scourge.

  I'd be carefull before counting anyone fighting a group we currently don't like as 'the good guys'.

  Certainly, they are not as bad as IS (surely a low threashold to meet?) but that doesn't mean they themselves haven't and won't commit their own attrocities against others when given the opportunity.

  IS has risen in no small part due to prior sectarianism within Iraq.

  The enemy of your enemy may only be your friend while it suits them.
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  keyser soze

  I'd be carefull before counting anyone fighting a group we currently don't like as 'the good guys'.

  Kind of like how the Taliban were 'the good guys' in the 80's because they were fighting the Russians.
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  Bungi Bill

  Simon,

  That is politics and warfare - always was and (worse luck!) always will be.

  In WWII the Western allies had to become allies of somebody they didn't like (Stalin) in order to defeat another they liked even less (Hitler).

  Bill.
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  Gregor

  hear, hear! Bungi Bill.

  Thanks for the correction.

  Like your posts. (Don't let it go to your head)
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  LoveUniHateExams

  Two more outrages in the Muslim World:

  1. A Pakistani christian woman has been sentenced to hang for allegedly insulting Muhammad - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/17/asia-bibi-pakistan_n_6002652.html?utm_hp_ref=uk.

  2. The National Union OF British students have failed to pass a motion condemning ISIS on the grounds that to do so would be, you guessed it, 'Islamophobic' - http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/10/islamophobia-strikes-again-british-union-of-students-refuses-to-condemn-isis/.
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  talesin

  http://kottke.org/12/06/the-girl-from-the-famous-vietnam-napalm-photo

  The photo was famous, but Phuc largely remained unknown except to those living in her tiny village near the Cambodian border. Ut and a few other journalists sometimes visited her, but that stopped after northern communist forces seized control of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975, ending the war.

  Life under the new regime became tough. Medical treatment and painkillers were expensive and hard to find for the teenager, who still suffered extreme headaches and pain.

  She worked hard and was accepted into medical school to pursue her dream of becoming a doctor. But all that ended once the new communist leaders realized the propaganda value of the "napalm girl" in the photo.

  She was forced to quit college and return to her home province, where she was trotted out to meet foreign journalists. The visits were monitored and controlled, her words scripted. She smiled and played her role, but the rage inside began to build and consume her.

  "I wanted to escape that picture," she said. "I got burned by napalm, and I became a victim of war ... but growing up then, I became another kind of victim."

  Phuc now lives in Ontario with her husband and has two children.