Way, way back at the beginning of this thread I linked the local moderate Muslim community pleading for Harper's help to prevent ISIS recruitment.
It must be true. Even when moderates speak up they aren't heard.
Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease
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LoveUniHateExams
'Homosexuality is illegal in most muslim countries ... but ... it is tolerated' - are you seriously suggesting that your openly gay Egyptian men could walk hand-in-hand with their partners in public and be tolerated?
If not then in what way were these men openly gay men tolerated?
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Simon
Way, way back at the beginning of this thread I linked the local moderate Muslim community pleading for Harper's help to prevent ISIS recruitment.
It must be true. Even when moderates speak up they aren't heard.
Ask them about the core beliefs and see if the are still quite so 'moderate' then. They say they want to prevent extremist but help to repeat and promote the core beliefs that the extremism is based on.
What help exactly do they need to prevent ISIS recruitment? Are they honestly saying that they need western christians to come and talk to their youths?
It all seems like rhetoric and no substance - how about they help themselves by stop preaching the hate as the word of god?
Seriously, I'd like to know what they want the government to do to solve the problem that is in their community and religious culture.
What do you think the government or anyone external to islam can and should do to solve this problem?
... is utterly incorrect. How can you summarise the beliefs of billions of people in this way? What is your basis for this and don't use selcective literalism please. Billy's comment about people seeing things in black and white terms and avoiding nuance is absolutely applicable to your post.
It's easy - they say that is their belief, they preach and recite it regularly and when questioned many voice will support for the extreme practices and you see women walking the streets with cloth bags on their heads. That is the basis.
I note your posts are devoid of any counter evidence.
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LoveUniHateExams
'I accept that apostasy is problematic'
That's polite-speak for 'anyone outed as an apostate in a muslim-majority country is up sh1t creek without a paddle', isn't it?
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Simon
Even in a non-muslim-majority country.
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Simon
I am struggling with this notion that they somehow want and need our governments help to prevent their own adherants turning to extremism.
How does that work?
When people ask if muslims believe XYZ we invariably get the same answer: "islam is a religion of peace".
Wouldn't it be easier and clearer if they said "no, we do NOT believe that" if that were actually the case?
The fact that it is never said and many ex-muslims say those things are exactly what they do believe leads me to think that it's deliberately misleading to fool the easily convinced. I believe lying to any non-believers is not high on the list of 'do not do' commandments, if it's on there at all.
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Gregor
Don't think for one minute that the attitude and demeanor of Islamic people is their true face when interfacing with non-muslims in mixed communities. But in the privacy of their mosques they do not waver in their uncompromising obedience to the quoran and the idolatry of the Imams.
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LoveUniHateExams
@Gregor - unfortunately you may be right.
Perhaps Frazzled might like to explain 'taqiyya' to us.
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Violia
if someone could embed this- it really is worth listening to
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cofty
I can't embed that version but here it is in a previous thread...
Moderate muslims are moderate as compared to the hard core psychos not in comparison to rational 21st century people.