@Frazzled - the five pillars may be common to sunni and shia but this unity of behaviour most definitely has not stopped them killing each other over doctrine.
Also, please see my post no. 87 and answer my question. Thank you.
Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease
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Frazzled UBM
LUHE - you are tiresome with your insistence on me answering your puerile questions. They were openly gay in the sense that they did not hide the fact that they fancied men. Your question is irrelevant anyway - I said Simon was wrong in saying that moderate Muslims wanted Death for Homosexuals - the recent release of the Brit in Morocco who had been charged with homosexuality supports this. Your arguments about Muslim attitudes to homosexuality is an attempt to move the goal posts to deflect from the fact that what Simon had said was wrong. You have employed the same tactic in the arguments about Sunnis and Shia in responding to jgnat. I wodner where you learnt this tactics when debating? Catholics and Protestants killed each other during the Troubles and the IRA bombed London - does that mean there is something inherently defective in Christiantiy? Are you really suggesting that Muslims are the only violent people on the planet? That is a rhetorical question - I don't expect an answer. Fraz
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barry
Islam has nothing to do with terrorism is the biggest lie told from 9/11 on. As if the actions of Islamic State the Taliban, Alqaida, Boko Haram all just arose out of thin air.
Far from being an aboration the beheadings orchestrated by Islamic State have encouraged thousands of muslims to join the organisation. How is it muslims can pretent this has nothing to do with Islam?
Maybe it is more likely the young impressionable muslims believe the beheadings have more to do with Islamic texts. Millions of muslims believe Islam is perfect above reproach and should rule the world.
According to The Australian newspaper after the second beheading by the Islamic state a groupe of the most senior clerics released an open letter refuting theological points that were the basis of Islamic state
The letter says that unbelievers should not be killed unless they openly express their lack of belief and faith. That should make us all feel much more comfortable. As long as we don't openly say we don't believe in Islam we are safe from attack.
If you can't see a problem with MODERATE Islam there is something wrong with you.
Barry
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LoveUniHateExams
@Frazzled - please stop pointing to catholics and protestants - this thread is about Islam. Of course muslims are not the only violent people on the planet.
Also, here's another 'puerile' question for you:
If your openly gay Egyptian men had walked hand in hand with their partners in public, what would have happened to them?
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barry
The problems between Catholics and Protestants was never really about religion the Islamic problem is about the whole world that is not islamic and should be converted by force
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Frazzled UBM
Actually nothing because in Egypt it is not uncommon for men to hold hands and kiss each other (on the cheek). In Egypt (platonic) displays of affection between people of the same sex is more common than displays of affection between people of the opposite sex. it would not be wise for gay men to show genuine gay affection for each other in public in the same way it would not have been wise to do so in the UK or Australia 30 years ago. You may be too young but I can tell you gay bashing was quite the phenomenon. I don't understand why I can't point to Catholics and Protestants. Your thesis is that there is something inherently wrong and violent about Islam and so I can't see why I can't bring out examples of believers in other religions also being violent. The argument that you and Simon and Barry and mana11 all use is selective literalism ('look what the Quran and this or that Muslim say') and then trying to justify this as painting Islam as a uniquely violent religion and refusing to listen to any suggestion that no moderate Muslims do not have those views or support those positions and thinking that the onus is on moderate muslims to prove to you that they don't support the Extremists. In my many posts I have sought to show you why this position is untenable but you ignore me.
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Heaven
So they announced this morning on the news that Canada is going to war in Iraq against ISIS.
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barry
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Ej-qj5ki0
Just a small sample here of muslims preferring sharia I guess they are all extremists pity not one of them was a moderate
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lisaBObeesa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Ej-qj5ki0
Just a small sample here of muslims preferring sharia I guess they are all extremists pity not one of them was a moderate
Incorrect.
5:40 - 6:41
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LoveUniHateExams
@Frazzled - Thank you for deigning to answer my question but you really are grasping at straws here. Ok, so in Egyptian culture a man can kiss another man on the cheek in the same way that here, in England, a man would kiss a woman on the cheek.
You know what I'm driving at but choose to muddy the waters.
The reason why I said 'stop pointing at christians' is because this thread is about Islam.
If you wish to discuss catholic/protestant rivalry or christianity's peccadilloes please start a separate thread on this and I'll respond. Thank you.