WORLD OF LIES COMING UNRAVELED

by You Know 155 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  You Know

  Alan Fraudbacker wrote,

  Rutherford and his coterie of nincompoops were Russellites, you fool. Rutherford himself explicitly taught that Russell had been "the faithful and wise servant". Afterwards, he taught that Russell was directing the Watchtower organization from heaven. And yeah, Boob Brain, it's in The Watch Tower.

  That's not what we mean when we speak of Russelites. To this day Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the founder of the Watchtower was a genuine child of God. That doesn't mean we are Russellites. The Russelites were those who refused to progress with the Watchtower after Russell's death in 1916. And that was my point, that they were following a man solely, and obviously had no faith in the purpose of God. It doesn't matter what opinon Rutherford may have held about Russell, as far as him still being the slave or whatever, the fact that they pressed one is the point. Whether some of Russell's pet ideas were discarded sooner or later doesn't matter. Rutherford moved the Watchtower forward.

  Rutherford didn't start trying to do any such thing until around 1923, when he saw that he wasn't getting enough adoration. Eventually he figured out that transferring the mantle of "faithful servant" to himself via "the Society" would get him what he wanted, and that's what he set about doing, by discrediting many of Russell's favorite doctrines.

  Rutherford provided leadership after Russell's death. He helped reinvigorate the movement after he got out of prison with the seris of Cedar Point conventions and all of that. By the very fact that he was the Society's president meant that he wasn't a Russellite, in the sense defined.

  You don't seem to realize: Russell's wife came up with that ridiculous doctrine, Russell latched on to it, and Rutherford put it in roughly today's form. But all the while that the men who supposedly comprised it were being appointed to that position, they were teaching and doing extremely stupid things. Obviously you think that God is so stupid as to appoint a bunch of idiots as his representatives. No surprise here.

  Actually Jesus was the author of the teaching on the faithful and discreet slave, and even Christ's apostles did bone-headed things at times. The blustering blubberings of apostates isn't what determines who God's servants are.

  / You Know
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  dubla

  yk-

  are you serious? thats it? LOL, tell me theres more. again, lets review your outright LIE that you refuse to comment on.

  cygnus said:

  The Society for many years after Chuck assumed room temperature strongly maintained that Russell was the wise slave of Matthew 24:45

  to which you replied:

  That can't be true.

  either admit your error, or admit your lie, its quite simple.

  now your new statement:

  Whether some of Russell's pet ideas were discarded sooner or later doesn't matter. Rutherford moved the Watchtower forward.

  so which is it? is it not in fact true that the society continued teaching that russell was the slave for years after he died, or is it in fact true, but "doesnt matter"? you cant have it both ways. to steal one of your analogies....if this were a dance contest, youd be racking up some serious points for your two-step around the actual lie you told back there. again, you are transparent to the intelligent reader.

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  Edited by - dubla on 28 June 2002 15:51:6
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  Reborn2002

  Well spoken dubla

  Keep prophesying and weaving lies YouKnow.. any reader with a 2nd grade comprehension level can see through your http://www.sassquatch.com/images/bs.WAV

  For further information on how YouKnow sidestep's statements which expose his hypocrisy, you may want to visit this thread:

  Notice how I quote statements taken directly from his posts, yet he avoids the issue altogether?
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  MrBusyShortz

  You know-->Confidence is a very fragile and delicate thing that can easily be shattered. The Watchtower's credibility is equally in question in the minds of some due to numerous policy quaffs and outright lying and hypocrisy and seeming indifference to the ferment taking place in the organization.>>

  I will agree with you on your point of confidence being fragile and delicate. So many times in life our confidence is shattered towards others due to dishonesty, for example, regardless of topic or situation at hand. In my mind, The only way to ensure that our confidence is not harmed in any way is to be truthful with each other. Bearing in mind, However, Honesty can be quite painful. But, On the other hand, tis better to hurt now than to hurt later. When you hurt later, The pain seems to be more intense, in my humble opinion.

  As far as the Watchtower is concerned, Their teaching is, It is alright to lie to someone who is not deserving to know the Truth. How so? The Bible was written for everyone, in my opinion, to read and to understand! Not just a select few. Christ died for everyone. Not for just a few.

  MrBusy
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  You Know

  Dubula

  are you serious? thats it? LOL, tell me theres more.

  Yep, basically that's it. Fraudbacker didn't really have all that much to refute.

  so which is it? is it not in fact true that the society continued teaching that russell was the slave for years after he died, or is it in fact true, but "doesnt matter"?

  It may be true, but that's not the point. My point was that the Russellites were those who refused to continue with Jehovah's people after Russell died. They failed the test and were winnowed out, which establishes a pattern if things to come. Fraudbacker went on a diversionary slant by claiming that Rutherford was actually a Russellite because he thought Russell was still the faithful slave. That is, of course, completely silly. The point of who Rutherford thought Russell was, or wasn't, is largely a matter of Watchtower trivia. / You Know
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  dubla

  yk-

  It may be true, but that's not the point.

  ah, but that IS my point, and has been all along. if you re-read my posts, youll see i was merely pointing out your lie/ignorance (you choose) on this matter. so, youve now said (regarding the issue of whether or not the society claimed russell was the slave for years after he died):

  That can't be true

  AND

  It may be true

  this is soooo simple yk, even for a brain-locked person like yourself. you are either A) admitting you outright LIED, or B) admitting your own ignorance as to the past teachings of the society (the same society that you claim such vast knowledge of)...........just pick one man, either answer works for me, lol.

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  Reborn2002

  YouKnow caught in another contradiction.

  He will not acknowledge you dubla, he is after all above any reproach.

  LOL!
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  dubla

  YouKnow caught in another contradiction.

  
  

  He will not acknowledge you dubla

  i imagine you are correct, but again, at least its there in plain sight for the lurkers and his "target audience". when the jw leaders refused to come on dateline for an interview, it only made their lies and hypocrisy look worse. such is the case with yks repeated refusal to admit the numerous lies hes been caught in.

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  Edited by - dubla on 28 June 2002 16:42:22
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  AlanF

  What did I tell you, Dubla? Now YK has to resort to redefining "Russellite" in order to make himself look good in his own peabrain. The term was actually coined by outsiders long before Russell's death, so to many outside Russell's religion, the Bible Students were simply Russellites, Millennial Dawners, and so forth. This term was applied to them until they adopted the name "Jehovah's witnesses" in 1931. Somewhere along the way, a number of the groups that formed after Rutherford's takeover adopted the name "Bible Student" for themselves. To this day, they do not generally refer to themselves as Russellites, any more than Rutherford referred to himself or his followers as Russellites, although they were.

  Here is yet another instance where Booby has got his history wrong. And he expects people to take him seriously about Bible prophecy when he can't manage to get simple history right! LOL!

  AlanF
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  dubla

  And he expects people to take him seriously about Bible prophecy when he can't manage to get simple history right!

  thats just it, exactly, which is why i was bringing the attention to his ignorant statements that were proven unequivically incorrect. lurkers take note.....history is much easier to get a grasp on than bible prophesy, lol.

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