What's with the media and the march (page 5)

Realist

i have to agree with izo

the lawsuits will not be successful and the average JW will not wake up from the coma. instead they will start to hold closer together to protect their beautiful organization against satans' attacks.

After all, I AM OPTIMISTIC, if I wouldn't be, why would i work against WTS?
I think it is possible to do something but only with coordinated work. It has
to be visible, that we are serious, not just angry xjw's...be sure, that the WTS
lawyers will be checking this and all other forums, to find anything they can
use against Bill or anyone else...

Realist

how can you be optimistic?

i tried everything to convince someone to leave the WT ... no success whatsoever (and my target wasn't even stupid).

they are so fanatic they don't look at any evidence against the WT. there is nothing one can do except for blowing up their headquaters during a GB meeting maybe.

kelsey007

izo- you have gotten my point. Silent Lambs will be under the micoscope.

But I challange you once more! Why does it have to be "working against" the wt? What is wrong with a more positive "working for" the victims and "working for" reform?

As has been demonstrated by my criticisms of the silent lambs movement- negative attacks are not fruitful. It put the suppporters of the silent lambs on the defensive and darned near started a war here. The same is true with silent lambs. With a negative attack on the WT they will be defensive, naturally they will defend their postition. Nothing good is gained.

See what my posts produced from silent lambs supporters? Put the shoe on ther other foot. Silent Lambs is doing to the WT exactly what I was doing to silent lambs here. And you expect the WT to fold under because of your criticisms? No more than supporters of silent lambs will fold under to my criticisms.

Think about it.....

izobcenec

Ok lets see...working for the victims, what would that exactly be?

First, we dont even know the victims, maybe just few of them, but most of 5000 victims, who contacted bill, we dont know.
Most of them are not molested now, they were molested years ago. So what can we do to help them? Well, in the end
it all comes to lawsuits and money. And it is a question, if they will win those...

I really dont see any reform possible within the watchtower, it has to be the way it is now to work or else they can pack
their bags and go. What would you reform? Blood? 1914? Last days? I mean, they cannot change anything! They dont
want to change anything, the system is working and working very effective. Most of Jw's dont even know or care about
silentlambs, they are just waiting for the new world to come soon. That hope is all they have and 90% are not willing to
throw it away, no matter what! It was so clear in our Country, when WT spokesman LIED on TV, and clearly so...but
nothing happened, they find some excuses for that (like the set him up...)

Yes, it would be very nice to actually talk with WT officials and debate about issues, but we all know that is not
possible. Yes, they are not going to fold under OUR criticism, but they MAY fold under the FBI investigation or state
law.

So, in the end, we are fighting against WTS, its negative, but they are actually criminals and some of them belong to jail.
I mean, when simplified, they are lying to people, ruining their lives and taking their money. That is criminal. I will
always fight against that kind of people and societies, especially if I or my dear ones are involved. Thats how people work.
Why didnt we fight against WTS policy on child abuse ten years ago? Look at all xjw websites today, everyone is writing
about silentlambs...

Will silentlambs change WTS policy? No! Only courts can achieve that and when (and if) it happens, the watchtower is dead.
Just like Enron.

kelsey007

izo said: I mean, when simplified, they are lying to people, ruining their lives and taking their money. That is criminal. I will
always fight against that kind of people and societies, especially if I or my dear ones are involved. Thats how people work.

As I have stated elsewhere I was a jw for 34 years. I have up close and personal experience about the pediphile issue. My kissing cousin, born same month and same year as I - we were very close- was forced to give her jw MS servant dad oral sex several times until her mom caught them in the act. Her mom went to the elders. They scolded her dad and shunned my cousin. So traumatic it was for her that she died at 31. A great personal loss to me.

Still I do not hate. Still I think that the pediphile is the issue and laws must be put in place to force a change.

That is just one of many many stories I can give as I was a servant, pioneer, volunteer work at bethal and a 3rd generation jw.

But I do not expend my energies in the negative. I want positive reform. I am not interested in jw bashing or the like.

izobcenec

Kelsey: i don't hate Jw's, no way!
We have sincere believers on one side and the leaders on the other side.
The leaders are manipulating with believers and that is criminal. I just dont see, what could be reformed?
What would you reform in WTS? If Ted Jaracz is a rapist (and there is some evidence showing up in some
other thread), what should he do now? If the blood doctrine is false, who is guilty for all dead people? Dont
you think, that someone is guilty, and if he is, he is guilty of MURDER? Is that not criminal? Should we
not fight that? Can we positively view murderers?

kelsey007

I hope that you all are able to get beyond this hate one day and enjoy a free life. These problems are not isolated to the WT. Look around, outside the WT. A radical islam belief is forcing the stoning of a young mother in africa because she had sex out of wedlock- and you thought jw's were radical. Maybe you did not watch the public beheadings in afganastan in the soccor fields. These peopel are not free to leave- jws are free to leave the WT. But no one here is defending oor fighting for the rights of these poor people. You are still controlled by the WT. You are consumed to the point that you cannot see the world outside the WT. Believe it or not there are millions of people suffering much worse than any jw all over the world. Not to belittle the WT plight. But the fight has to be more inclusive not exclusive. When I take note of the sufferings of so many it began to deminish the hate I had for the jws. I was able to expand my vision well beyond the GB.

Rogue_Protecter

Kelsey ..You are right there are alot of problems and maybe more fantical than Jw's .But this one hits some of us on a personnel level.And thats not to belittle others plight in life.These men are criminals and they pull the wool over peoples eyes with there twisted talk.and until we let them see the man behind the curtain they will stay there.I have family still in and I am also 3rd generation and I want them to open there eyes .And you know as well as I do how they hate bad press.If Bill is putting the pressure on and the press covers it,it just may give him a lil more leverage.

Working for the victims and for reform IS working against the Borg.Do you know what the victims want?Do you speak to the daily?Do u schedule press conferences for them?I am sure this is alot of pressure on Bill physically and mentaly,just as it is for the victims.So If ya wanna be negative thats your right thats what the board is for...But as for myself I wish I had the time and the money and the Balls he had to take on the borg..he lost his family because of this..what are u doing?

end of my rant

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