by Shakita 56 Replies latest jw friends
Now I feel really bad about some of the things I said, but I am glad that you are researching things. No hard feelings?
I'll look into the Babylon thing. Can you provide a short overview of what you are referring to?
Thanks,
rem
Edited by - rem on 17 January 2003 22:4:16
Yizuman,You have a belief system based upon the Bible,and that's where you get your info from to give us your point of view to which you are entitled to.
How can you speak for God by saying that the only solution is ZAP and lost of free will.Need I remind you that it was by ZAP that God took away our free will when He imposed the death penalty for using our free will.
We have already become robots to do God's bidding or ZAP your gone.When someone does God's bidding it's because they don't want to be ZAPPED out of existence.Hence you don't have free will,either do it my way or ZAP.
So, when you ask me do I want God to say ZAP no free will your now a robot, the answer to that is no.However, unlike you, I don't think we have the solution on just how to end this dilemma,but ,I do think God has the solution and its beyond our ability to figure it out for him.
And the solution ,I think, has nothing to do with either or, one or the other,and that God can end death and sickness without basing it upon man's thinking or actions toward Him.Afterall there was a time when man lived for hundred of years,if you want to believe it based on the Bible wherein you get your belief system. No harm no foul. Blueblades
Yizuman-
It's not cool to remove your posts like that. Now we have no idea what rem is talking about. So what if you were wrong, it still teaches others who might be wrong too.
StinkyPants - It's not cool to remove your posts like that. Now we have no idea what rem is talking about. So what if you were wrong, it still teaches others who might be wrong too.
I'm sorry I did that, I felt that when I found myself to be in the wrong based on the information I had found was never substantiated after at first had read about this years ago. So, I removed the postings because I felt I was wrong and the information I read was wrong as well.
I will not do that again in the future.
Yizuman
Blueblades - You have a belief system based upon the Bible,and that's where you get your info from to give us your point of view to which you are entitled to.
Ok.
How can you speak for God by saying that the only solution is ZAP and lost of free will. Need I remind you that it was by ZAP that God took away our free will when He imposed the death penalty for using our free will.
I'm not saying it's the solution. You complained about the evils of man and you wanted God to come down and lay the smack down on them. You also complained that God is not instantly at a snap of the finger cure all the problems that plagues this world.
You also complain that God is not preventing crimes from happening against the people on this world.
Then I gave you a supposition that instead of allowing evil to continue, God takes away free will and in turn makes us robots doing only what we're programmed to do and we're programmed not to do harm against anyone. It had seemed to me that what you were conveying what you wanted. You may not have said it and you may not have thought it, but the idea was there.
But now you are telling me that God took away free will when he imposed the death penalty against His people whoever commits a capital crime? Are you saying now that it's preferable that God not punish anyone for raping little children and murdering them while you complained that God is not stepping in to stop it or prevent it? Is this now double speak?
We have already become robots to do God's bidding or ZAP your gone.When someone does God's bidding it's because they don't want to be ZAPPED out of existence. Hence you don't have free will,either do it my way or ZAP.
That's where you are wrong. God is allowing man to choose what he/she wishes to do and there will be consequences based on the decisions that we make, positive or negative consequences.
If we free willingly follow God at our choice simply because we want to follow God. Like I wanted to follow God and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior because I KNOW I am a sinner in need of a savior. I had done bad things in my life that I knew was wrong and I needed forgiveness for what I have done in the past and I wanted a new life in Christ, forever changed as a new creature in Christ.
God then answered my prayer and gave me a new life exactly as I wanted and I have never at that very day felt more free in my entire life. I felt all the weight that was on my shoulders fall off and I broke down crying, not in sadness, but in great joy. I felt free!
I wish I could show you the experience and the feeling that I had on that day, I wish we were like plugged together like the Matrix so you know exactly what I went through and how it felt like. The experience is way too hard to describe in mere words because there is absolutely nothing like it here on earth. I'm still blown away by it even as I look back and remember that day.
I just had another thought to the free will issue and you're right in some respects that we have lost our free will but it's not from God's will. What I am talking about is we're in bondage of the ways of the world such as drugs, alcohol, addiction to pornography, etc. We're addicted to a great many things that enslaves us into it.
Take this forum for example. It's a great forum. But can we be addicted to this forum? Well, I freely admit by my own flesh that I am addicted to Simon's forum. I can't walk away from it. LOL! I get up in the morning and the first thing I do is hit this forum and I hit it again while in the process of getting ready for work. Then I come home and hit the forum to see what I had missed while I was away. .
But is it possible that it could hamper our life to do other responsible things we need to pay attention to? Like doing the dishes, taking out the trash, doing our laundry, neglecting our families because we could be paying more attention to the forums rather than the spouse and children? Yes, it is possible. I think that's why Simon imposed the 20 posting limits so it kicks us out to focus on our real life situations. Simon wants us to have a life! (Thank you Simon! )
So yes I need to get a life and read the bible more, pray to God more and take care of simple chores, otherwise I am in big fat trouble! LOL!
So, when you ask me do I want God to say ZAP no free will your now a robot, the answer to that is no.However, unlike you, I don't think we have the solution on just how to end this dilemma, but, I do think God has the solution and its beyond our ability to figure it out for him.
Well, I say YES we can, unfortunantly we ALL aren't doing it. If every single human being out of the goodness of our hearts stepped in and got in the face of every criminal of this world and said, NO MORE and their punishment is met out immediately. This sends a message to would be criminals that they had better think twice before imposing their selfish reasons upon the good and the innocent. We can do it, but unfortunantly people don't care and they rather take care of their own thing and ignore what's wrong with this world rather than rolling up our sleeves and digging in to fix the problem of this world.
However we are trying. I do thank Police Officers who lay down their lives everyday on the streets to do their best to serve and protect the innocent from jerks who are haboring selfish agendas.
Of course we don't understand why God is allowing suffering in this world and not butting in to prevent it.
There is a post from a man who had the exact same anger as you did and let me link it for you. He speaks very well about what he thinks of the suffering of this world....
The subject of this topic is called, "Making Peace with God".... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=44760&site=3
Please let me know what you think of his post...
And the solution ,I think, has nothing to do with either or, one or the other,and that God can end death and sickness without basing it upon man's thinking or actions toward Him.Afterall there was a time when man lived for hundred of years,if you want to believe it based on the Bible wherein you get your belief system. No harm no foul. Blueblades
And he will one day soon. There will be a day that there will be no more tears, no more pain and no more suffering. The day WILL be here.
Isaiah 25:8
he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign LORD will wipe
away the tears from all faces; he will remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth. The LORD has spoken.
(Whole Chapter: Isaiah 25 In context: Isaiah 25:7-9)
Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe
away every tear from their eyes."
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 7 In context: Revelation 7:16-18)
Read the post I mentioned above, he explained it a whole lot more than I ever did. It made me cry.
Yizuman
Now I feel really bad about some of the things I said, but I am glad that you are researching things. No hard feelings?
Rem.....LMAO!!!!!!!! I can REALLY relate to this one.
YIZUMAN, I do appreciate your thoughts,but,let me clarify a couple of misconceptions you made about me.I am neither angry nor complaining.The Prophets of old asked God the same questions that I raised in my post responses.I do not use double talk in any of my posts.
Double talk is ambiguous and deceptive talk.Now when you say that I'm angry,complaing and using double talk ,you have approached my sincere questions with a AD HOMINEM meaning to the man, augument which consists of an attack on the person arued against instead of on his argument.
I read your post and the link you provided.There is no connection between me and that young man.The life experiences of yourself and him are indeed very personal and intimate with God.I can neither prove or disprove anyones experiences with God.And neither do I ever do so.
I never approved of those who commit capital crimes etc.or that they should go free of accountability.
I am 60 yrs old married with a family.We been JWS for over 32yrs.We have prayed and served God all that time and now there is a big hole in our hearts.
All I have been asking of God is to end the human suffering of the innocent ones,put a stop to growing old physically with all the decrepit sickness that we suffer as we grow old and then die.
You concurred with me when you said that ,"ONE DAY SOON",that there will be a day when God will impose his will and do just that.All I'm saying is ,Jesus died 2,000 yrs ago ,the debt has been paid,why the long wait for the payment here on earth now, not in some afterlife.People need relief on earth now, not in some future afterlife.I don't have the answers only the honest questions.Blueblades
