What does the Catholic church think of JW?

by Halcon 71 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  slimboyfat

  "GPT said there was no widely available media coverage"

  Wow misquotation is a difficult habit to break huh? ChatGPT / you actually said

  “There is no widely available documentation or media coverage to verify this story.”

  Which is false. You missed the crucial "or" to change the meaning, and disputed "widely available" to obscure that fact.

  As for being widely available I found it on multiple sites in seconds, as did you apparently, the second time of looking.

  Earlier you quoted "significant coverage" whereas what I wrote was "some media interest".
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  Jeffro

  You really are tedious.

  There is no widely available documentation or media coverage to verify this story.
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  slimboyfat

  There was media coverage and it is readily available and linked above.

  Maybe ChatGPT struggled to access the file because of its format, what's your excuse?
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  Jeffro

  As for being widely available I found it on multiple sites in seconds, as.did you apparently, the second time of looking.

  Congratulations, you can use Google too. The quality of the sites you ‘found it on’ speaks volumes about the supposed veracity of the tale that some lady made up. None are reliable sources and the puff piece in the paper is just some lady’s story. The paper makes no claim of verifying any part of the story. The story isn’t available from the newspaper’s website.
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  slimboyfat

  The quality of the sites is not the point because they preserve the original source. Unless you think the sites actually faked the news page clipping? Or do you think anything posted on a JW site loses credibility just by its presence. How does that work? If I post the Oxford English Dictionary here does that make the dictionary unreliable too?

  The lady might have made it up but if you think that's more likely than the pope simply having a JW cousin (an entirely everyday and somewhat mundane circumstance) I think you have poor judgment.

  Again all of which is beside the point considering you/ChatGPT originally claimed there was no media report. These later arguments don't change that being false.
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  Jeffro

  The lady might have made it up but if you think that's more likely than the pope having a JW cousin (an entirely everyday and somewhat mundane circumstance) I think you have poor judgment.

  It’s entirely more likely that a lady made up a story for attention. The source of the story is entirely based on the claims of one lady with no verification. My judgement is just fine.

  Again all of which is beside the point considering you/ChatGPT originally claimed there was no media report

  No, it didn’t say there was ‘no media coverage’, it said there wasn’t widely available documentation or media coverage. You just can’t parse a clause properly.

  Earlier you quoted "significant coverage" whereas what I wrote was "some media interest".

  No, I didn’t. You may like to learn the difference between double and single quotes. Single quotes indicate a paraphrase rather than an exact quote, as distinct from the double quotes you used when you lied about me saying “extensive coverage”.

  The actual statement was “There is no widely available documentation or media coverage to verify this story.” The original story contains only unverified claims from the lady. No verification has been provided whatsoever.
  
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  Jeffro

  Oh no… someone… disliked my comments. How will I go on.
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  slimboyfat

  Well it wasn't me, because I can't like or dislike comments.

  I shared the information about the relative size of JWs in Italy and Ratzinger's JW cousin because I thought it was interesting and relevant to the topic.

  You decided to fact check me for errors, but outsourced it to ChatGPT, which came up with a series of misleading responses, the only one you spotted being the Waldensians. I did learn from the response that the Romanian Orthodox Church is now larger than JWs in Italy because of recent immigration. It was the only actual addition to the information I provided but it's appreciated anyway.

  We can't be certain the photo in the newspaper was real or that the Bavarian woman was telling the truth about being related to the pope, but it seems likely enough to be relevant in a conversation about whether the Catholic church thinks much about JWs, which was supposed to be the topic. Even if this particular woman isn't in fact the pope's cousin, and I don't see any particular reason not to believe her, JWs are numerous enough that popes past and future possibly have a number of relatives and acquaintances who are JWs, this one just made a headline.

  What's a little less likely (it seems to me) are all the details about the pope calling up his cousin after decades and making compliments about JWs. Then again, I remember reading that one of the first things Ratzinger did as pope was contact his old friend turned opponent Hans Küng to invite him for lunch. So maybe even the details of the story are in character for the man. This is a side point, before you point out that it can't be proved, which of course is obvious.
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  KalebOutWest

  I cannot speak for the Catholic Church as a whole, but having been enrolled in a Roman Catholic elementary school during the day when I was a boy as there were no Jewish schools where I lived (I had Hebrew school in the evening), my catechist, Fr. Eugene Caserly of Little Flower Catholic Church did tell a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses who had this question the following.

  This is from a long time ago (I'm old) when the Society still had those awful green-colored Bibles and magazines were filled with mostly hand-drawn, two-colored illustrations. (I was a kid back then.)

  Fr. Eugene said the two "Jehovahs" knocked on his door not realizing it was a rectory. They were quite surprised when a collared priest came to the door and so they just stumbled through their presentation.

  They tried to engage him in a conversation and offer him "some books or pamphlet" but the shock of meeting a priest and being ill-prepared just never seemed to wear off.

  So upon coming to the end of what seemed like a fiasco, one of them actually asked this question: "Do you mind telling me, sir, what do Catholics really think of us Jehovah's Witnesses?"

  Fr. Eugene grinned at the two men as he grabbed hold of his front door, and replied: "We don't."

  And with that, he slammed it on them.

  I don't think there's anything official either, so I wouldn't be surprised if Fr. Eugene's view was pretty spot on not just for Catholics but most folks.

  People don't even know JWs are around.
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  Biahi

  True, Kaleb, they are legends in their own minds. They think the universe revolves around them. NEWS FLASH: It doesn’t.