God won't lift a finger to help you.

by nicolaou 75 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  liam

  Surely Job felt much better that he had 20 new offspring. WTF about the 10 that died

  Job 42

  God also gave him seven more sons and three more daughters. These were the names of his daughters: Jemima, Kezia, Keren.

  And in all the land there were no other girls as lovely as the daughters of Job

  Yea but the daughters that were murdered were just average looking.

  The three new Daughters were beautiful as heck, and all the boys wanted to get their paws on those gorgeous bodies. That was the way of serving Jehovah. If you worshiped Jah, you got all the babes.

  
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  Duran

  Surely Job felt much better that he had 20 new offspring. WTF about the 10 that died. No Big Deal! I have 20 more to feed!

  Nope!
  

  Even if he were to have to feed them, the fact that all his livestock/wealth doubled would mean he was in a great position to feed an addition 10.

  But that is not the case.

  He didn't have another 20 children in addition to the 10 that died. Unlike his livestock that doubled, the number of children he had again was also 10. Job will have all 20 of his children again when he and they are resurrected.

  Job 1:2,3;42:12,13
  
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  nicolaou

  Duran. The god you worship permitted the killing of innocent children just to settle a wager.

  Reflect on that.
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  Duran

  Nope!

  They were Job's children, YES, but they were not children, they were adults.

  It was not to settle a wager; it served as a test/example.

  Had the first 10 not died when/how they did, they would still have died at some point. Job and his wife and their 10 children that they had after the first 10, are now all as dead as the 10 that died first.

  What I reflect on is the fact that none of them are really dead as long as they are in the memory of the God I worship. Mark 12:27;Matthew 10:28
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  TonusOH

  Duran: Had the first 10 not died when/how they did, they would still have died at some point.

  I guess we can add efficiency to the list of God's attributes.
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  nicolaou

  Duran. I try as hard as I can to demonstrate how harmful religious belief is to humanity. How it desensitizes people and corrupts their moral perception.

  I try to demonstrate the superiority of reason over dogma and how an atheistic or humanist approach to life is far more enriching and, frankly, loving.

  But try as hard as I can I'll never turn as many people away from the God of the Bible as you will.

  Keep up the good work.
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  Halcon

  Tonus -I said "we should want to know." It is natural to want to know what you are about to get into, especially if it's a decision that will last for an eternity. It is also natural to think well of someone who prepares us, but to be highly suspicious of someone who will not quite explain the most important and crucial facet of our lives.

  I would say the most important and crucial facet of our lives is the present, the here and now. 'Should want to know' seems more of a personal preference. Maybe not everyone wants to know. I personally don't concern myself with the afterlife since whatever it is I seem to have no say so in it.

  If our defintion contrasts with that of God, we are wrong, aren't we?

  Yes we would be, because God is a separate person from us, which was the point of my comment.
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  Halcon

  Nicolaou -God on the other hand gets a free pass from unthinking, fundamentalists on this forum for behaving like an arsehole.

  Ultimately, it's not about giving God a pass. It's about recognizing that we are unable to change things because we are the creation and not the Creator.

  It's difficult to see that man is not at the center of the universe, that our past present and future is out of our hands.
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  Duran

  How it desensitizes people and corrupts their moral perception. I try to demonstrate the superiority of reason over dogma and how an atheistic or humanist approach to life is far more enriching and, frankly, loving.

  moral - concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character

  loving - feeling or showing love or great care

  _______________________

  Are you an atheist?

  If so, do you claim to know what is right and wrong and good and bad? (Does there even exist such? Who/how has determined what's, what?)

  Do you know what love is?

  If I was also an atheist and I thought something was right that you thought was wrong and I thought something was good that you thought was bad, who's version of good and bad, right and wrong would be correct in your way of thinking?

  
  
  
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  TonusOH

  Halcon: I would say the most important and crucial facet of our lives is the present, the here and now.

  If we lack an eternal future, then I agree. But if this life is a microscopically tiny portion of my overall existence, then its importance is equally minor. Not knowing what is next would be a major concern. When I was a believer, my presuppositions provided some comfort, because I could ignore the problems with the way we defined God. The version of God that Christianity has constructed over the centuries is very unsettling if we remove the presuppositions that are in direct contrast with how he has been defined.

  Duran: who's version of good and bad, right and wrong would be correct in your way of thinking?

  Well, I would ask you: is it possible to explain why murder, theft, deception, or rape are wrong? Do you believe that these actions are inherently neutral, and only immoral because God says they are? Is there no basis upon which we could build a moral foundation without God?