by slimboyfat 204 Replies latest members private
Of course the paper exercise in charging for literature is a simple merry go round so the question is..
If you take the global income v the global expenditure then is there (a) a profit and (b) a trend that ensures any profit is sustainable.
I suspect (a) is true and (b) is why they are trying to cut costs in reaction to cutting income streams
Surely the recent cash grab where all congregations had to empty their bank accounts and send it all to the branch office - keeping enough in reserve for a few toilet rolls- will temporarily skew the figures.
I suspect the r & f will be less likely to dig deep if excess funds are creamed off by HQ.
The problem with that line of thought, cofty, is that cash grab was at least two maybe three years ago because i was still an elder when it happened. It was a one time thing and yet the uk branch still shows positive income before and after the grab.
Yes - because they then came back and asked people to pledge money for Chelmsford.
The UK cashflow is skewed for the next 2-3 years at least until Chelmsford is complete and Mill Hill sold off.
I suspect the r & f will be less likely to dig deep if excess funds are creamed off by HQ.
Exactly. It's a no brainer: the cash grab will result in a short term boost in central funds, but very quickly donations are bound to drop when none of it is retained at the local congregation.
Which probably means that either 1) the Watchtower planners are so dumb that they didn't realise that removing local financial autonomy would result in lower overall donations, or 2) they realised it would result in lower donations in the long run, but they were so desperate for cash in the short term, just in order to keep the organisation functioning, that they had no choice.
Or 3) the perpetual kh donation is designed to capture ‘local’ money and still grab up the “www” donations. This is obviously working as the fincial reports show income exceeds expenditures.
That's just a non sequitur.
Because it simply doesn't follow that if their reserves have increased, therefore the new arrangement has resulted in increased donations.
It's like saying I put money from my wallet into my bank account, therefore I've had a pay rise.
It doesn't follow.
Hey, Slim.
Sorry to keep harping on about this, but I think your interpretation, while a possibility, is rooted much more in speculation than in reality. It makes more sense that Watchtower would vaunt their missionary ranks, since previously many missionaries didn't pan out and some of them ended up like the rest of us (there are many single, older former missionaries who arrived at Bethel this way). It makes sense, organizationally, to select missionaries only from among the ranks of those who've proven their "exemplary" loyalty for decades in that regimented system instead of including those pioneering for a few years who sucked up to the right people, and were later overwhelmed by the workload of Gilead students, or didn't live up to expectations, had health issues, undisclosed sins, etc. Watchtower was taking a much bigger chance then; now they know everything about each person they vet since they're able to keep a closer watch and have more "trustworthy" and direct sources. It may be a silly analogy, but it's the same reason why many pro sports leagues started imposing an age or college attendance requirement for high school graduates.
You're also neglecting to mention that these changes made way for the creation of the BSSB/BSCC/SKE schools, which allowed the candidates previously eligible for Gilead, but now excluded, a chance to pick up the slack for free. If anything, Watchtower brilliantly created more imaginary rungs in their hierarchy for men AND women, married AND single, to waste their lives chasing after.
Gilead graduates still receive foreign assignments, outside of the most recent class, but I believe the GB uses gimmicks like this to give the audience something to brag to their service partners about the next day.
By the way, I am hoping for the demise of Watchtower and wish it would happen as soon as you're convinced it will. However, I am more realistic than I am hopeful.
I have to agree with HalfBanana, these guys are just sucking all they can before they close the doors.
I was listening to exbethelite on YouTube and he talked about his experience at bethel where they had a meeting then told all the ones that some would be sent out of the US bethel to serve at other bethels. He said he was naive so he actually thought he might be sent out but heard others arguing they knowing what the GB were actually saying. He then mentioned after talking to other bethelites that none were sent out just laid off like him. Told to pack your bags and sent home.
The way they are acting the GB, it's as if they lost a ton of money on wall street or something and the proceeds from the real estate sales isn't enough to right their ship, maybe having already mortgaged off these properties in the past. I think their in major money problems and that's why we see all the begging. It's also that they want to get as much as they can out of the poor suckers that are left that still believe their crap.
Slim perhaps you are unaware of how donations are handled or perhaps you are just being willfully ignorant so you can hold onto your disproven delusion, but lets explore for the sake of everyone who reads this..
your wallet illustration is i’ll framed, but i suspect you know that. Congregations have two basic boxes for contributions. Local and World Wide Work (hear after refered to as www).
Money stuffed into the local box formerly was held locally, as the name implied, for all things local. Bills repairs maintenance upkeep etc etc. the account could grow to any size amd nobodu monitored it outside of the local elders or account servant.
All money stuffed in the www box went to the branch every month.
my remark regarding the org now capturing local money as well as www money was with regard to the perpetual mortgage tithe. The mortgage is paid with local money. That is money that formerly would never have gone to the branch. The money dropped in the www box still goes to the branch... ergo it is exactly NOT like putting your wallet in your bank account. Its like finding someone elses wallet and putting it in your bank account.
The uk branch ( and i would bet my ass the others that serve developed countries) are showing more money comming in than going out for the last 5 years at least. This is with greatly reduced printing and no charge for literature.
I understand i cannot make you understand that the world isnt flat but i will continue to show you evidance to the contrary.
the org has enough money. The org has enough money. The org has enough money. There is no collapse. There is no collapse. Keep saying it slim.
Its ironic that while there is concrete rock hard evidance that they have more money comming than going out you cling to the delusion of their finical demise yet the real problems for them ie declining membership, retention of children, lack of receuitment, you seem to ignore as the real dangers for collapse. Are they not sexy enough? Not quick enough, since its a couple of generations away? Only you can answer but money is not the problem
