Blueeyes
Ditto what JT said. This is the first experience I have EVER had in my entire life where a "born again" person doesn't admit that you have to be "born again" to be saved
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Yep --when I read her post I was taken by surprise for my exp has always been that being born again/saved was a CORE DOGMA of persons who consider them BA.
Sorta like a Catholic who says the Pope is not part of an unbroken line of popes coming down from Peter- some beliefs are the cornerstone of that faith.
Sorta like a muslium saying the Koran is like a Sear catalog-
But as she stated she considers herself BA , but doesn't believe that one must be BA/Saved to have a good standing with God- hey you learn something new each day IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY- SMILE
Dansk says:
You may be faithful to your religion, unimpeachable in 'holiness', but without salvation you'll die a sinner's death, doomed to Hell.
According to this, one could be the most altruistic, loving and humane person on the planet - but if you don't accept Christ as Lord and Saviour one is damned to Hell. That's as bad as the teachings of the Watchtower.
Now this is my exp with BA, but we have all had the chance to meet someone like Billygoat who rejects that commonly held teaching found among all the BA I have met over the years- I find it refreshing
It is almost like meeting a JW who says the GB is not being used by Jehovah-
What this entire thread has shown is clearly the problem that any Belief System has-- when they stand up and declare themselves to be the one and only way, and this is a common thing among almost all belief systems
The concept that "We over here got the inside track to the divine and the rest of you don't" is a powerful draw for it makes the followers feel SPEICAL-
When the sad truth is we are all just struggling to make ends , raise our families , do good to others and die,,
That end of life condition is so unacceptable for most folk- so belief systems promise folks AN AFTER LIFE on the OTHER SIDE---
at the rate we are going there are at least 1000's of different heavens folks have created thru their beliefs systems
We got heaveN just for the muslium, just for the christain, then you got the various sects of heaven for the sub groups, YOU GOT TO LOVE IT I guess-
If you read many of the post you will see many state it is up to the god of the bible to decide who gets salvation, and I can understand why they have that view---- it is due to such persons believing that everyone accepts the bible and its explanation of god/worship/ and what he will do to those who DON'T ACCEPT HIM as the god of the bible- to some the bible is just another book on the shelf
it is like reading about what the god called Zeus will do to those who reject him-
around the world the fear of death, and hell and loss of salvation as described by the bible and interpeted by those who follow it don't wash with many folks- the same as many bible believers view other "Holy books" as mere stories, OTHERS view their book the same way-
and that is why WHEN one group/indiviuals declares WE TO THE REAL DEAL OVER HEAR is so sad
But everyone doesn't accept the bible- just because IT SAYS SO AND SO-
The same as most BA don’t' accept the Koran just because it says SO AND SO-
If a musluim was talking to a BA Christian and said "One day Allah will grant you salvation despite you not knowing his Greatest Prophet Mohamad –
I doubt you would find many BA impressed by the Koran telling them that Allah thru his greatest prophet Mohamad will understand that they were blinded and mislead into believing this fellow Jesus was the greatest Prophet--
and therefore ALLAH read their hearts and now they can enter heaven and get their 42 virgin wives—WELL THEN AGAIN THAT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD DEAL FOR SOME MEN
--(why is it you never hear of women being able to have 42 Studs up in heaven waiting on them hand and foot- you got to love a religion created by a bunch of dirty old men looking for some "Young PYT")- SMILE
But hey whatever FLOATS YOUR BOAT--
