by Touchofgrey 189 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
f a person feels threatened by truth, it's because that "threatened" person's conscience is bothering them. It has nothing to do with the person who stated the truth, although the typical response from a person who is in denial is to blame the messenger.
The truth of the matter is that nobody has provided any evidence that jesus existed, so why should my conscience bother me that's the truth of the matter.
And that your imaginary friend has a imaginary sword doesn't bother me either.
FreeTheMasons:
If a person feels threatened by truth, it's because that "threatened" person's conscience is bothering them.
No. That's a tedious reflection of your own belief that the 'threat' is 'truth' (though entirely unsubstantiated). It is not actually that the person feels threatened, but they have remarked about the intent of the superstitious threat.
ukpimo: So you're saying there is an off chance that someone could be believable, but only if we actually lived at the time that person lived?
I'm saying that it is reasonable to accept that a person existed at a particular time in history, as so many people have. And it is reasonable to accept that they did things a normal person could do, like give speeches and promote charity and experience mistreatment or even death at the hands of their enemies. Even if we don't know any of this for sure, it's not outside of the norm. It happens all the time. It happens today.
If we say that a person who existed also performed miracles, or was assigned a task by an angel, or by a deity... these are not things that happen frequently. They may not even happen at all. Even when we cannot determine for certain that a person existed in the past (due to the lack of evidence in the archeological record), we can accept that they probably did. And we can accept some claims at face value, if they describe actions that are not out of the ordinary.
Because the evidence is so sparse, claims that any historical figure did extraordinary things must be met with skepticism, and two reasons come to mind: for one, as the evidence for past figures becomes more reliable, such claims conveniently begin to dry up. Two, people will accept such claims for one figure, but reject those claims for all others. This isn't based on a specific and unbiased approach, but on what the person already believes, which is a bad way to approach evidence.
FreeTheMasons: I can tell you you're about to be run over by a bus, but if you don't want to heed the warning, it doesn't matter how much I tell you about the evidence I've seen.
If you tell Pete that a bus is approaching and he looks and doesn't see a bus, it's very likely that there is no bus. Religious figures --including no shortage of Christians-- have been warning us about an oncoming bus for centuries now, and the road remains clear. At some point, we may begin to get the impression that there is no bus, regardless of how sincere the warnings are meant to be.
About a year ago, when someone said Watchtower would fall because Jesus is tearing it down at Jehovah's command, no one believed it. They said it was practically impossible.
A lot has changed in a year.
When Watchtower is dissolved, will you still deny that Jesus had it torn down?
What about when you see the governments dissolved?
Are you going to wait until you actually see Jesus in the flesh? (He is coming back again in a materialized body.)
Will you wait until then? You can if you want to. But in my opinion, you'll be happier if you get some things taken care of now. He is showing up whether you are ready or not. By "getting some things taken care of" I don't mean physical things. I just mean that all of us have stuff we are working on as regards our relationships and lifestyle. When we didn't know Jehovah or Jesus, we lived a certain way.
When Jehovah was coming to visit Mount Sinai, the people washed their clothes and cleaned up a bit.
If you have a heads up that company is coming, it's kind of nice.
Are you going to wait until you actually see Jesus in the flesh? (He is coming back again in a materialized body.)
Can you please provide independently verified evidence that jesus came in the first place, because he can't return if he never arrived in the first place.
Can you Be specific in your evidence.
If you can't produce any evidence at least be honest about it and admit there isn't any.
That your beliefs in jesus are a matter of faith rather than facts
About a year ago, when someone said Watchtower would fall because Jesus is tearing it down at Jehovah's command, no one believed it. They said it was practically impossible.
A lot has changed in a year.
When Watchtower is dissolved, will you still deny that Jesus had it torn down?
How is the WTS any less (in the process of being torn down) today than it was a year ago?
Where scripturally speaking does it show that the WTS gets torn down any more or less than any other religion?
Here you said:
He was not king in the first century, but he is now, and he is riding fast. The religious institutions are being dissolved.
That said would indicate that you think more than just the WTS are being torn down. Regardless, how is Jesus riding fast today, and how is the WTS or any other religious institutions being torn down/dissolved because of Jesus so-called riding fast today?
Hey, anybody here play chess?
Ever heard of the "Oh, My God!" trap?
Lol...they never saw it coming!
😂
FreeTheMasons: Are you going to wait until you actually see Jesus in the flesh?
That works for me.
About a year ago, when someone said Watchtower would fall because Jesus is tearing it down at Jehovah's command, no one believed it.
Anyone would be stupid to believe that. Watchtower hasn’t ‘fallen’ and even if it were to, it would be irrational to attribute it to something that hasn’t been demonstrated to exist.
