A Common Mistake (page 2)

heathen

DJ--- You seem to have made up your own version of a trinity . The trinity that the catholic church created was the one I am talking about .If you read the whole letter to ephesians it is very clear that the idea of a trinity is not being discussed . I get the idea of sepperate yet serving one purpose in Ephesians -4 . The grieving of the holy spirit appears to pertain to causing disunity or disturbing the peace that was to be shared amongst the congregation. The fruits of the spirit were to be peace love and unity Galations 5:22 -25.

Francois

DO TRY TO KEEP IN MIND that Arian was not a false teacher to Arianists.

Um, and don't forget to apply that to current religious philosophy.

francois

Hamas

Newflash:

The JW doctrine concerning the Trinty is False

The Doctrine of the Trinity is even more false.

StinkyPantz

Hamas-

Please enlighten us? What is true?

DJ

Heathen,
I do not have a different version of the trinity.

Francois,

I fully realize that the Arians believed themselves..lol..

Hamas,

Your entilted to your opinion

SP,

Thanks

Jeremiah

Hamas,

I guess my question is: IF the trinity does not exist, where does Jesus fit in? Higher or lower than angels?

Also, if Jesus wasn't God in the flesh, how do we receive grace under his blood atonement?

DJ

sorry. I double posted.

Kingpawn

This isn't intended to hijack the thread, but DJ made a fascinating point (to me, anyway) about getting thr truth from the Bible:

It wasn't until I stopped only looking to the bible for my answers and started to directly ask for the holy spirit to teach me. I had no intention of accepting the trinity at the time. I just wanted to understand what the bible taught in order to discern truth from error.

The Witnesses are one of many groups that teach that the Bible alone is insufficient to get the knowledge of God (the Mormons come to mind in this regard too). You need their publications to assist you in your search. But if God isn't powerful enough to make sure a person can properly "get the sense" of what they're reading in Scripture and block off any interference from Satan or evil spirit entities (for those who believe in this, and I'm not taking any position on that), then can you rely on His Word as interperted by you with the help of the Holy Spirit regarding anything else? Is the Devil that powerful? If so, are you sure you're on the winning side?

And now we return you to our thread already in progress.

DFWnonJW

ok, think tv commercial here...

"Three, Three, Three God's in one!"

Actually the trinity topic is how my mom got sucked in. Witness lady said my mom "looked like a sheep" and asked her what religion she was.
"Baptist" says she, all proud.
"OHHHH, You believe in a three headed god!" says jw lady.
"I most certainly do not!" says me mum.
"Sure you do. Don't you sing 'god in three person's, blessed trinity'?"
GASP....goes mum

the rest, as they say, is misery.

starScream

Heathen,

I've always heard the trinity being explained as the father ,son and holy ghost being all the same .

Then you have always heard wrong.

as holy ghost and is a third spirit

no again

Trinitarians often claim that jesus was indeed God almighty and not merely a servant of God almighty of which you have to discount a large part of the new testament to conclude this.

Actually you have to discount a large part of the New Testament to deny it. Jesus was MERE? That takes a LOT of scripture-denying.

If that is true about the holy spirit actually being jesus than how can people be filled with it ?

The HS is Jesus? I thought we just got done explaining to you that Jesus is not the Father.

Most times that I've seen drawings and such that depict the trinity they usually show a 3 faced deity not a one faced.

Most times when I see a JW depiction of Jehober his face is blank. WHAT A FREAK!!!!! Pardon me, I cant help it if some people must paint odd pictures. I think the JWs need a taste of their own medicine in which we use all their Jehobistic depictions against them. Oh, and Jehober is no more a nonsense word that Jeehovaw.

The way I see it is that jesus was granted all authority over heaven and earth from higher up due to his obedience in proving satan a liar.

The way you see it, Jesus is just a fairy tale right?

I think peopel get confused due to the baptismal ceremony that includes the father son and holy spirit.

don't forget the multitude of other scriptures that have us "confused."

There are other scriptures that make it confusing such as when jesus said he that has seen me has also seen the father.

Keep going. You have posted about 0.001% of them so far.

The belief in a trinity was actually started by pagan culture.

The belief in God's Son coming to earth was also "started" by pagan culture. The belief that the Supreme God cast other gods into Tartarus was also "started" by pagan culture. The belief that the world is going to come to an end was also "started" by pagan culture.

Outnfree,

And while I would agree that the Son is NOT the Father or vice versa according to Trinitarian teaching, isn't that one in essence but not in personhood stuff rather difficult to comprehend?

I can honestly say I understand it just fine because the bible is very informative. The Unity of the Father the Son and the HS is very simple and easy to understand. The Trinity is not God. The Trinity is a concept that explains the unity of the Father the Son and the HS.

"Was Jesus praying to Himself????!!" In a strict sense, he was, if all persons in the one Godhead are co-eternal and uncreated.

No he wasn't. He was a Man praying to His God and a Son who was praying to his Father. He was not praying to himself unless you are saying he is the Father. It is only a problem for the Oneness crowd.

DJ,

The Father claims to be the creator ALONE in Isaiah.

Replace "The Father" with YHVH. I know you understand but just for the sake clarity.

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