What was there before the Big Bang? (page 7)

Fisherman

"void"

Satan tells God: "I don't need you, I can create man without you.." So Satan starts to bend over and he reaches for some dirt from the ground... and Gd tells him: "Get your own dirt!"

Fisherman

Invisible like the kingdom of 1914?

lol rofl -thanks

Fisherman: "--and Gd tells him: "Get your own dirt!" " that is very telling, and teaching humour. That is why I consider discussions about evolution immaterial to the big question of initial creation. Evolution is playing with "god's" dirt, or play dough. but how this big, energetic structure we live in, started expanding, and moving through time. wow I would like to have been there in person, and of course i was there, but only in energy.

Fisherman

energy... void....quantum vacuum...seemingly empty space, etc...

"Get your own NOTHING!!!!"

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F Get your own NOTHING!!!!" That is a tall order, after all, we are not creators, bu converters, special user of Energy. Particularly making a nothing (no THING) that would serve to make the universe.

The Question " what was there BEFORE the Big Bang?" implies though, that there was time. there was no thing, but there was time. Is it time to accept that?

Fisherman

implies

assumes

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F: "assumes" -- or better yet presumes? If somehow the big bang energy imbalance was triggered, there had to be acceleration, movement through time squared, You can not have movement through time unless it is there in the first place. or? Am I presumptuous?

EndofMysteries

There was nothing before the big-bang. Not nothing as in "the vacuum of space" but really nothing, not even the space for the vacuum to be empty in.
Without gravity, there is no time, so no "before" because time also started when matter existed

Wow Simon!! I think you just answered the age old question of how could God have ALWAYS existed. Based on your answer, there was no time until he created the first matter, hence he was always there since time didn't exist prior. haha

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S: "--Without gravity, there is no time--" EoM: "--he was always there since time didn't exist prior. --"

How can you have "always", every time, continuously, continually without there actually being a dimension to have those occurrences in? And how can you have no time without gravity when the equations of relativity state the opposite: the more gravity, the less time, maximum gravity= no time at all, absence of gravity= full flow of [through] time?

better you-all substitute "time" for movement through time to make it work. for we live in a working, worked universe, that started with raising time to the second power. aka acceleration, "inflation" even.

Some of you want to give the creator nothing. I at least try to give him time.

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P: "--the more gravity, the less time, the equations of relativity state--" . so: were the conditions before the big bang the opposite that they are now? the universe multiplied by -1, but conditions none- or, nevertheless?

What was there before the Big Bang?

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