What was there before the Big Bang? (page 8)

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Brokeback WT - "What was there before the Big Bang?"

Ingredients.

prologos

V: "Ingredients. " or just a seed with instructions how to grow, to evolve?

V: "A label that says "made in Japan". Yeah, may be the universe is justs waves (in strings) like the great waves in Hawaii, California, Oregon, they are made in Japan too, originally. Then, he big bang was the mother of all tsunamis.

Fisherman

time

Relative to our universe, time began at the point of the "big bang."

One application of time is the measurement between 2 events. Or, a measurement of change. Imagine an illusionary clock that started to measure time at the point of the big bang but the clock moves in reverse and measures the time before the big bang occurred starting with the big bang. If no event or changes happened before the big bang, the clock would tick in the direction of negative infinity ( a mathematical concept) forever and never reach a starting point or a beginning. Like distance to measure a location with no other points in existence to measure distance from, length (or distance) is only a concept and so is time before the big bang with no other reference point to compare it to. -Fisherman

prologos

Fisherman, You are describing not time, but movement through time, which is not a given, even in this universe. At the speed of light there is no movement through time. Einstein realised, thinking of surfing on a wave of photons, that the clock [he was watching looking back] would never appear to move. At the rim of a black hole too, you would stop moving through time.Time is really stationary, both inside and outside the universe, it is us in the medium range of expansion that move through it, from one event to the next. If you can be in time without moving through it, what would stop time to exist before, during and after?

Fisherman

Given: time as defined by prologos

IN the universe, a person traveling on the starship Enterprise at the speed of light would still need 8 hours of sleep and would live about 80 years, he would still need the same amount of time to read a book and to walk from one point on the ship to another location, that amount of time would pass traveling at any speed. He would have to wait a year to reach a location a light year away: That would result in 2 measurements of time

Fisherman

what would stop time to exist before, during and after?

Since 2 times sort of speak can exist or seem to exist at the same time while traveling at the speed of light in our universe, it seems that the time that you are describing makes up the framework of our universe integrated with space because light must move through space.Light cannot move without space. So, time inside the ship has one form, outside the ship another form. What form does time take in a nonexistent realm outside the ship of our universe and how can it exist not part of something?

prologos

Fisherman: "--, time inside the ship has one form, outside the ship another form. What form does time take in a nonexistent realm outside --? The way I see it, time has always the same form as a 4st dimension, that can have existed even without the 3 space directions. It is just because of the difference in velocities, movement through time, it is seen differently inside and outside the ship, or the universe for that matter, just like cars will travel at different speeds on a highway. Think of the twin paradox, the traveller returns younger than the stay at home twin, at high speeds through space he has travelled less through the time dimension. I think of time as stationary, and nothing was moving through time before the beginning of our universe. that is how a possible creator can be eternal, uncreated, he never moved through time. He does not have to travel to the future, he is already there. always has been.

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What was there before the Big Bang?

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