Forgiving & Forgetting

by StinkyPantz 69 Replies latest jw friends

  • tinkerbell82
    tinkerbell82

    sp - i don't think anyone expects you to forgive the person who abused you. especially if that person isnt begging for an apology. the person who messed with me never asked for an apology once and i still had to see his ass at Kingdom Hall three times a week for years afterwards. i forgave him because the only person who was being hurt by my withholding forgiveness was me. that man couldnt care less whether i forgive him or not, but holding on to resentment wasnt doing me any good at all. in instances like that, i think forgiveness is really only benefitting the forgiver.

    but like i said, each person has different things that they can't let go of.

  • wheres caleb?
    wheres caleb?

    There is a difference between forgiving and over-looking a transgression. As some have posted already, over-looking, dismissing, letting go, whatever you want to call it, is for our own peace of mind. It is not healthy to hold on to negative feelings because it only hurts us in the end.

    A circuit overseer asked the question to the congregation, "How many have been hurt and were able to 'forgive and forget' the transgression of their brother or sister?" He asked that hands be raised. When more than half the congregation raised their hands, he laughed and said, "You see, you haven't forgotten." Forgiving someone when they have never asked for our forgiveness is ridiculous. The scriptures say that God forgives freely so we should also.

    The issue is not that God forgives, it is when. God forgives us when we ask for his forgiveness. If we are asked to forgive others, when they demonstrate no remorse, is asking us to do something that God would never do. If God forgave indiscriminately, then there would not be any need for judgement or concern about accountability. The wrong application of this principle has been a burden to many sincere Christians and I'm sure has led many away from an organization that makes excuses for it's cruelty and indiscretions.

    If a person has hurt me and then sincerely asks for my forgiveness, it would be ridiculous for me not to. They have made the effort to repair the relationship and I would love them even more for thinking enough of me to care. If they don't feel compelled to apologize, then I would just try to dismiss it because my emotional health or spirituality could be damaged. It's not that easy to do, especially when you have people that distort the scriptures to accomodate their fleshly perspectives.

    I like thinking of why I ask for forgiveness when I was wrong about something. It reminds me of the love and friendship that I have for those I care about. Imperfection means I am going to grow old and die. It is not a convenient excuse that I can pull out whenever I have wronged somebody. Excuses expose the heart. "Love covers a multitude of sins", doesn't mean we can just walk all over people and test their love for us.

  • Victorian sky
    Victorian sky

    If it's a little thing, I let it go. If it's something that really hurts me or someone I love, I think about the person's motivation, was it malicious? or was it just a really dumb mistake on their part? I'm not good at holding grudges so I let the person know what they did and try my best to move on. If it was something horrific don't know what I would do. My empathy to those of you who have been abused by someone in a position of trust. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to forgive let alone forget that. - V Sky

  • iiz2cool
    iiz2cool

    Just a couple of examples in my case:

    My father physically and emotionally abused the entire family. He's come home in drunken rages, and beat me with anything he could get his hands on - belt, stick, tennis racket, you name it. I thought I could never forgive him. When I grew up our relationship improved, and we actually became friends, and I can honestly say I have no resentment toward him any more.

    My mother, on the other hand, also used to get violent with me, often kicking me around the room as if I were some kind of soccer ball. There was never an apology. When I grew older, I tried to talk to her about it, but she denied it ever happened, and said I was making it up. That's something I cannot forgive. We have a civil relationship, but that's it. I've learned to put the anger behind me because of the negative impact the anger had on my health. But I cannot forgive her and have a normal relationship with her.

    So, while I am able to forgive many things, there are some things I won't forgive. I try to put anger behind me for the sake of my own health, not because I feel a need to forgive those who don't deserve it.

    Walter
    Ontario District Overbeer

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface

    Ok … if I would like to go further in my opinion about that I would say, that what I state on is the reasons why? … If it’s an egocentric or mean reason the person need slap (any kind) he won’t understand otherwise.

    Any other reason of reaction (than Egotic– or being Mean for “no reason *”) can be understandable and forgiven, depends on the situation and anyway (one day or an other) for those who really loves the one who messed up if he/she deserve it … sometimes it’s just a question of time … today you can’t … but maybe tomorrow … cause of course it’s not about forgetting (no memory) but about giving up … to free our own mind about some issue that we can’t nothing against it anymore and not loosing energy on it.

    * quiet hard to find out about de deep reasons

    Real communication and no bad faith ... can help in this matter (NO wasting time in CRAPS)

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy
    Tink-

    Some people think that anyone deserves forgiveness. I disagree.

    There is a big difference between forgiving a person and "does that person deserve forgiving"

    My ex-husband set fire to our house while we were asleep. My children and I came as close as one can get to being burned alive. This after I got out of the hospital from being beaten and raped by him. I wanted him to die a slow death and thought of it every single day for several years feeling everyday of my life that there is no justice in this gawddamn pathetic world for people like us. I felt betrayed by everyone and god. Do I think he deserves to be forgiven? No! And I do not believe he has been forgiven. He went to prison, he lost everyone in his life who cared about him He lost everything except his "physical" life. He is now a homeless bum that walks through towns asking for food and not a single person gives a shit about him. He lives that way every single day of his life and will till he dies.

    My life is good now. I have a great man that loves me and my kids and is a great dad. The asshole that hurt us knows I am happy now and knows his kids are happy and have a great dad and have forgotten him. per sa'.

    My kids and I still spend time in therapy, may do so for some time but, we have a better life and people who love us and we have each other.

    The most important thing to remember is “what is good for you” Not what can you do to yourself to get even with someone else. Which IS the reality of it.

  • happyout
    happyout

    There are so many sides to this story, I don't believe there can ever be just one answer. I have also personally experienced situations where I forgave someone for doing something I never thought I would forgive (like being unfaithful).

    Perhaps some people can really forget, I don't. I decide if I am going to forgive (based upon the offenders actions after the offense), and then if I do, I NEVER BRING IT UP. That's very different from forgetting. I doubt I could really forget, not if it was something that really caused me pain. But, if I tell someone I forgive them, they can rest assured I will never bring it up, or treat them any differently than before.

    As for little things, I let them go very easily. I have been through too many real problems in my life to worry about little ticky tack crap. You have to A) be someone close to me and B) do something really bad to need my forgiveness. Otherwise, I overlook the normal quirks of being human, just as I hope my friends do for me.

    I do think, however, that forgiveness depends on the person asking for it. I don't see how I can forgive if I am never asked to.

    Happyout

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32
    So the person must be sorry in order to be forgiven?

    No, I don't think so. And I don't think them being sorry means you should definitely forgive. But I think it does help increase the chance that they'll be forgiven.

  • Adam
    Adam

    I forgive if I can, forget nothing.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Tim, has Diane been moving the furniture again?

    LOL

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