Who told the first lie? (page 25)

MeanMrMustard

Jeez Jeffro - the dude says he actually hates you. Wow. I mean, wow. What did you do to him?

He loves me though. I'm definitely in the "everyone else" category.

MeanMrMustard

@KOW:

Were you able to read the new manuscript, recently unearthed, that I had no hand in creating, documenting further interactions between God and Adam? I pasted the translation on page 6 of this thread.

Since you view these stories as a way of communicating deeper truths, not to be taken as literal history (a view I share), what sort of lesson do you see in the new manuscript text?

Jeffro

KOW:

However this is not to say that the Western legal system is based on the Torah or the Bible. It is not. The Torah itself is not the inventor of the ideas and ideals found within its legal system, so one cannot even claim that in the purest sense.

Most importantly, and the salient point, the fact that case law texts include factual details about specific cases is not derived from the Bible’s inclusion of fanciful narratives.

Jeffro

MMM:

Jeez Jeffro - the dude says he actually hates you. Wow. I mean, wow. What did you do to him?

Yes, he doesn’t like it if you dare to point out that he’s not 100% right. It’s a shame because I’m only really here for the popularity contest. 🤣

It was one of my favorite jokes in Hebrew camp when I was a boy (to be honest I think a camp counselor who was a Reconstructionist rabbi told it to one of us in our group but probably in Boy Scouts--then we spread it around to the other more weakly Jews who only got outdoor in August at Camp Beth El--not to be confused with the Watchtower--where it became joke gold in a 12 year-old boy's arsenal).

As a bisexual Jewish man who loves all things masturbation and that precious joke, I can only say that I love you all the more.

It is holy writ (at least, we boys swore it was--Yeshiva boys' honor), and though some of us only pretended to get it until our balls fully formed and fell, we loved it all the same.

I cannot say I know what it truly means, because I believe its author, Buddy Hackett, took whatever he learned of its origins--from the Three Stooges--and swallowed the pages before he died, at least I hope so since the commentary was written on old pornography from the 1920s.-- I jest.

As for my nemesis, Jeffro, I don't really hate Jeffro. I get things wrong all the time too. I thought we were just playing back and forth due to some "horrible" words Jeffro has said in the past.

I have feelings too. They were incredibly insulting if they were real. So I thought Jeffro was kidding.

So I will just ignore Jeffro from this point onward.

Jeffro

KOW:

"horrible" words Jeffro has said in the past.

citation needed. But you may not like the actual order of events if you want to go down that path again...

KalebOutWest

But you may not like the actual order of events if you want to go down that path again...

And those were the very last words KalebOutWest ever heard.

At 10:52 pm, PDT, Kaleb's body was found in Las Vegas NV after beside two pieces of paper, one with a list of "horrible" citations someone obviously didn't "like" and the other with a joke about God telling Adam that masturbation causes blindness that appeared to be written in the writing of a 12-year-old boy on the old tatter map of some place called "Camp Beth El.:

Apparently Kaleb went "down" some "path" of some psycho that spent much too much time correcting other people's mistakes because they were ADHD and lived off of SSDI and lived their days on the Internet doing nothing more but correcting Wikipedia pages thinking the world owed them fame for doing it.

To this madman, all we can say is you don't have to worry about Kaleb anymore. You were right, he was wrong.

You were always right.

Always right.

Always right

Always right.

Oh, and God said She hates you.

Jeffro

I suppose that weird little rant is one way of avoiding an actual review of just who has been 'horrible' in the past.

peacefulpete

Kaleb, glad you returned. What impressed me with the explanation I just laid out, was the absence of Torah in the J story. in fact the absence of polemics or moralizing at all.

The story has a Greek flavor, meaning nearly satirical. The story is neither endorsing nor condemning the choice to become like God, it's actually a rhetorical thought exercise itself. What ifs are meant to be pondered. Would we have traded our freewill for the safety of the garden if that meant being merely one of the animals?

I can't help noticing your comments blend the 2 stories together. The P story features Torah and has none of the philosophical feel. God blessed and gives the earth to man and woman, the blessing is implied connected to Sabbath and God's word.

Jeffro

J conveys much more Babylonian influence than P and is where much of the philosophising comes from (and also presents God as more anthropomorphic). Adam and Eve. The flood (but also merged with a P version). Tower of Babel. The ridiculous length of the lifespans. The ‘table of nations’. Even the weird alternative Ten Commandments that includes ‘don’t boil a kid in its mother’s milk’ (incidentally the copy of the Ten Commandments that the Bible says Moses kept). (I should probably add that this is not intended as an exhaustive list.)

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