Planning A Fade. Need Ideas

by Doubtfully Yours 46 Replies latest jw experiences

  • RubaDub
    RubaDub

    I'll look into my Community College schedule

    EXCELLENT IDEA. A great "excuse" plus it may be of benefit if some unfortunate things happen in the future.

    And it could give him a little more wiggle room in the cong. He may tell others that you need the classes for your job. If another congregation is nearby or in your same hall, go there once or twice. Then he can say you are attending meetings on another night.

    If he wants more privledges in the cong, he needs to paint a happy face to the elders.

    ***** Rub a Dub

  • mustang
    mustang

    Here's one that nobody has suggested. This one might even scare him S***LESS:

    If it looks like a breakup, you will need support: OK, keep the Lawyer handy. You need a place to live? You got one!!! You are going to be there for a long time...

    You also might ultimately need a career or a new one. Try becoming a PARALEGAL. This means you will need to go to school; find some night classes. Oh, those meetings!!! What to do??

    Go to a few, perhaps the weekend pair. But in general, get real neutral, as far as JWism/doctrine is concerned. Never go confrontational about doctrine. It's better that he/they have no clue what is really going on in your mind. Shrug it off, it makes no difference, I gotta do homework...

    I could do all of this with a real big smile. In fact, I faded by just doing what I needed to do, getting real involved in work to support myself, going to NIGHT SCHOOL and nodding and smiling a lot. My finishing touch was a long move and then a NIGHT SHIFT JOB.

    Mustang

    Out the Door Class

    Disclaimer: nothing that I write or utter is to be considered legal advice. Consult proper counsel for such matters. Further, all that I write or utter, is protected by religious freedom under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as the "free exercise", as well as "freedom of speech" clauses.

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    I hate to say it, sweetie, but your marriage is doomed. You can try and hang on to it, but your husband will ultimately dump you, if you don't toe the line. I recommend seeing an attorney asap, and getting your life and your finances, in order, and preparing to live alone.

    The other things will work temporarily, but are only a cover up, and will be more like a band-aid.

    I know too many who have tried to do it by fading, but if you aren't in a united marriage, it won't end up well.

    Wishing you the best though. School is a brilliant suggestion, by the way, if your husband goes for it.

  • willyloman
    willyloman

    What Mulan said, and the sooner the better.

  • Stephanus
    Stephanus
    I missed a Saturday service meeting and stayed at home instead cleaning my house thoroughly.

    So, you are providing an exemplary home environment for him to invite elders, etc. back to; he could even suggest a book study held there (a pity for poor old you if it happens! ). That's the trouble with the Dub view of "service" - it's a one size fits all philosophy that doesn't take into account the different gifts, talents and tastes of the individuals in the congregation. If it doesn't immediately result in money in WBTS coffers, it's irrelevant.

  • asleif_dufansdottir
    asleif_dufansdottir

    I'm afraid I have to chime in with those who are concerned that if your husband throws things and has temper tantrums to get his way, that this does not bode well for your marriage. My advice is nont going to help you fade...but I'm really afraid fading is not looking to possible for you from what you've said.

    Think about this...why do you accept the temper tantrum?? Everybody's different, and so are everybody's marriages, but if I was you, the next time he started that crap it would be time for a (what folks back home call) "Come to Jesus" meeting (not in the religious sense, I just like the phrase).

    Stop him cold in his tracks. Tell him you're not putting up with behavior that would get a 2-year-old taken in the back room and spanked at a meeting. Plain language like,

    "I'm not going because I don't want to. I don't need any other reason. Your bad behavior is not doing a thing to change that. Deal with it."

    Phrases like, "end of discussion" and "I'm not going to be spoken to like that" are helpful here, too. Don't let him drag you into the fight, don't try to reason with him, DON'T try to appease him.

    There's also the helpful words, "I'm going to do what I want with my life whether you like it or not."

    Don't let him bully or intimidate or boss you. You're an adult, be one! If he gets violent tell him you're calling the cops - and do it!! And follow through with the complaint, too. Bullies often back down quick when confronted with strength, but you have to be Determined, you can't let him see you waiver or he'll be convinced if he just keeps up he'll get his way.

    Stop thinking that he, your parents, or the elders have any right to tell you what to do or guilt you into anything. Do what you want.

    Tell him that you love him but you're not going to let that give him the power to control your life.

    Keep us posted!

  • Winston Smith :>D
    Winston Smith :>D

    Doubtfully,

    Just the other day my husband in so many words told me that we got married by the Organization and if I told him I wanted nothing with the Organization then that would be pretty much the end of our marriage.

    I was going to say that the art of fading means to NEVER let anyone know that you have doubts about the Troof being the truth. If you have done that, and done so in a strong enough manner, then anything you do that declines your service to the WTS will be interpreted as a move to become an apostate. I was wondering by your above comments though if you have already let the cat out of the bag.

    As others have said, to fade, you have to fain physical and mental pain. Touch everyone?s pity party nerve, and let them pity you and your pitiful mental and physical health. Joining outside clubs and a gym to improve these ailments are good excuses as cited by others. Good, because they are tangible things that people will see and therefore rationalize why you are becoming inactive.

    Regarding your husband, if he is becoming violent, you have to take measures to protect yourself. I would:

    • Stay with a friend or family for a few days next time he looses his cool
    • Start saving money in an bank account unknown by him
    • Contact a lawyer
    • Maybe even get I touch with a local family violence group. They may have good ideas as well. Plus, his behavior will then be documented by outside sources in case it ever escalates in the future.

    In addition to the above, here are some other thoughts into his behavior. These opinions maybe way out in left field, but they were true to a degree in my case and in a friend of mine who is an x-jw, so this may resonate with you [or him] as well.

    I recall your previous posts. It seemed that things were going well for you and the double life.

    I have a question. Was your husband also leading such a life with youas well ? If so, maybe he feels guilty about his past conduct and now he is swinging the pendulum the other way to make good for past errors of his [and your] double life? I?m not saying that he has done anything wrong that you are not aware of; just that the past partying life that I recall from your previous posts is now possibly eating at his conscience.

    I say this because I had a talk a couple of months ago with a DF?d friend who said that they did things that they felt guilty about, and afterwards reached out and became more zealous to see if jehover blessed them, and therefore He was forgiving them for their past conduct. Made a Reg Pio? Good, jehover likes you. Have some bible studies? Good jehover forgives you for the past indiscretions.

    It struck a chord with me because I applied to become a Reg Pio because of that very reason. I was accepted, and therefore rationalized to myself that jehover forgave my past sins and was at that time blessing me.

    Only a JW could concoct such screwy logic.

    Which would lead me to question if maybe your hubby?s present motivation is not love, or drawing closer to jehover, or reaching out for more privileges for the sake of helping the congregation. One possible reason is that he is making this move to do more out of fear. Fear that jehover is no longer blessing him and will destroy him at Armageddon. And the reaching out is now being done to test to see if jehover is still blessing him or not.

    And he may be freaking out on you therefore because of his fear.

    Just wild speculation of course. I could be way of base. But for what it?s worth?

    Anyways, protect yourself first. Fade if you can, but if he shows violent tendencies again, I?d be out the door if at least for a few days to at least make him think and to protect yourself. But make sure that the place to go and the money that you need is setup up ahead of time.

    Best wishes,

    Paul

  • BeautifulGarbage
    BeautifulGarbage

    Expatbrit wrote an excellent post on fading some time back. You might want to give it a read to see if there is anything that might help you.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/34518/1.ashx

  • kgfreeperson
    kgfreeperson

    Paul, that makes so much sense. Thanks for the analysis!

  • FreeWilly
    FreeWilly

    My wife and I were rather high profile too. We were able to fade together, but we moved far away.

    It sounds to me that you need to make some pretty important decisions and prioritize your life. I don't think you can fade without you hubby fading too. I also don't think you would be happy in that kinda situation either. You would be forever reminded of the failure you turned out to be. Imagine the feeling you would get by running into all of the Dubs from the hall trying to 'encourage you' in you weakened state. Your husband may start to resent you for holding him back from priviledges and making him look bad by the Elders.

    I think you are at a crossroads. You have the power to make your life what you want it to be. Decide what you will and will not live with, be confident and get started soon and surround yourself with people who will support you. Unfortunately, if you compromise your feelings for the sake of your husband you may just end up depressed and miserable for it. Be true to yourself. It sounds like you are already sick of it so get going girl! I think alot of people here can testify that the brief period of turmoil is nothing compared to the freedom and well being once you're out.

    PS, your husband may say he will leave you if you fade, but you never know.

    -FW

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