The Elders Are Getting Opinions About Minimus (page 2)

hillary_step

SNG,

Excellent post! I concur completely.

HS

gumby

Well things have changed within the Organisation I guess since I have been out.

I cannot believe that a bookstudy conductor would ask a question like that at a bookstudy to the publishers. The way an elder would handle that would be to personally ask your mother ....if it was you for sure it was directed to. Elders wanting info. on a particular case they suspect, never ask the audience. Either he was a bozo, or things have definately changed.

Actually min......he was correct in what he said. You are proud. You are proud of yourself for leaving a cult and aiding your wife out. You are proud that you DON'T NEED to answer them. What they don't explain is that you are proud in the same manner a witness is proud. They are proud of ther faith and will tell you so. You too are proud of what you now believe, or do not believe, and what you have done and are doing in helping others out. There is no difference in the term. The only difference is what they have defined "proud" to be, and made it a bad thing against the accused.

Hang in there bud,

Gumby

minimus

The problem is----they seem to have no idea why we've stopped going to all the meetings and stopped reporting time. I was told a month ago that the Presiding Overseer was supposed to call me but that hasn't happened. After the bookstudy, one sister approached my mother and asked her how we were doing. My mother gets very defensive and tells them to question me themselves and not to ask her anything about us or else she will cry. So they leave her alone. But within the last month, 2 other elders questioned her about my family and she told them that if they wanted to visit HER and give her a shepherding call to ENCOURAGE her that would be appreciated but if they wanted to quizz her about me, they should stay home.....And you wonder where I get it.

freedom96

Many witnesses think they know all the answers of why we don't go anymore, however a good deal of them could not handle the real reason, so they will never listen to reason.

They will make excuses for the behavior that best suits their own needs.

imallgrowedup

Ba$ta%d!!!!!

IMHO, this man is using your mother to get to you. I don't know this guy, but is it possible he secretly enjoys knowing he can make her cry so he can "smoke you out", so to speak? If so, (I don't know your personal story here) but can your father pull the guy to the side and basically tell him he's crossed over the line with your mom and to back off? Or, are you comfortable with pulling this guy over to the side and saying the same thing - and if he asks "what's up" - just give him the same line you've been giving? It is unacceptable for him to behave this way with your mother, and he needs to know it!

Sorry you and your family are having to go through this.....

growedup

minimus

My mother will handle herself well, I think. She is a regular pioneer in her late 70's without a husband. He was never a JW. This certain elder really isn't a bad person. I know how he is. But he and his family are very self-righteous JWs. He wouldn't intentionally try to hurt my mother but he is known to callously say things and apologize often for his manner as well as his poor choice of words. If I ever had to talk to these guys, I'm afraid I might blow them away. And I think they're afraid of a confrontation with me.

Odrade

Okay, here's a new side to the coin. I think the elder was using your departure from the "truth" as a teaching opportunity. He wants to cement in the minds of all who know you or are wondering that it is pride and/or secret sin and/or materialism. And that they as lowly publishers need to be on guard, because look how even the spiritual shepherds are misled.

Loved Seattle's general assessment, I could see shades of my father in that... but I suspect in this particular case you were being held up as an example of "let him who thinks he is standing, beware...," especially in view of the comments you make on this specific elder's personality.

Odrade

imallgrowedup

Min -

And I think they're afraid of a confrontation with me.

How could they be afraid of a funny little red snack who trucks around on such skinny legs?! Do they fear death by chocolate?!

I guess you were responding to a post and describing how your mother handles the direct questions while I was writing my post. She sounds like she can handle herself pretty well. I'm quite impressed because my own mother would never dream of speaking her mind to an elder. It's great that your mom feels she can be tough when she needs to be.

After reading the post by Seattle Nice Guy above, I think he offers some interesting insight. When it all comes down to it - we all see through our own set of glasses. However, it does not excuse the things he said about you in front of an audience.

Hope you get this figured out soon!

growedup

asleif_dufansdottir

But within the last month, 2 other elders questioned her about my family and she told them that if they wanted to visit HER and give her a shepherding call to ENCOURAGE her that would be appreciated but if they wanted to quizz her about me, they should stay home.

Dang. Go Mom!

Is he one of those elders who likes the attention he gets when he "lets people in on stuff" without actually saying anything specific? Lots of people loooove being "in the know" and feeling special when they know something. That "I know a secret and you don't" feeling...but of course, since he's an elder he has to do it by way of instruction rather than just gossip...

"Let's 'reason'* on why this person is a bad example to follow and you should not let your curiosity lead you to be infected by them"...typical WT 'reasoning on a subject'

*JW love of this word is so bizarre to me, considering how little reasoning the average JW is expected to do on their own.

heathen

I'm with ya there minimus . I just hate the way they try to solicate information from your mother when they could easily talk to you and leave it at that . You are a grown man accountable for your own actions this is riddiculous to manipulate your mother because she is under their mind control and you are not anymore . I would deffinately tell them how I felt about it mono et mono .

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