The Elders Are Getting Opinions About Minimus (page 3)

minimus

Odrade, I believe you hit the nail on the head. If someone like Minimus and his family stop going----couldn't it happen to YOU? Why did it happen? Probably the snare of materialism. Now listen to us elders, ya hear. we know what's best for you. We're still here!

uriah

I think that Odrade and Seattle's comments combined really hit the nail hard and square on the head.

There are many elders who do sincerely believe it and so cannot think that you would leave the 'truth' for any reason other than those mentioned. I know one elder who is referred to as the vicar by other elders (in private) because he is so 'company man'. These are the worst because they will, as the scriptures say, 'Kill you believing they are doing a sacred service to God'. His family was so screwed up that on one meeting item when a daughter of his was doing a presentation, she said that at school they were telling rude jokes and she said that she 'prayed to Jehovah to close her ears' so as not to hear what was said. They saw satan in everything. If good happened, it was a blessing from Jehovah, if bad, it was satan. They walked about in fear of their own shadows. But I think that generally, the elders are those that fit in best with the soviet style. They have some power and want to use it and will hear nothing about the state that is negative, alot of it is quite 1984 - newspeak, thought police re-writing history, even down to the price of chocolate being reported as going down despite it going up. I have found that you cannot win against the WTS, it is pointless trying to convince anyone about anything non-JW and is a waste of effort trying - we all know that as we have been on both sides of the fence. The best you can hope for is that in the dead of night when they wake up asnd can't get back to sleep their minds will be humming with thoughts, as it does, and in that unguarded state a small seed of question may take root.

Maverick

Min. I agree with SNG and Odrade. What galls me is that these cowards don't just ask YOU! I had the same thing happen. Never, not once in the last three years did any of the men I knew and served with ever ask ME what was going on with me. They would talk to each other, and to my daughter or my ex-wife who, as with most ex-wives; think their husdand is the devil and should burn in hell forever, but not to me. I had the book study conductor call me on my cell phone and come right out and tell me he wasn't going to ask me what was up. The lame-punk! I guess he thought by saying that I would just spill my guts to him. Stupid little weasel! I am still pissed at that bunch of spinelss, petty, chicken s**ts!....Sorry Min, this gets to me. The WTS says these men are a refuge but I think that's a misprint and should be refuse*!

You won't hear from those cowards until the sangbagging! Maverick

* Ref use: Anything disgarded or rejected as useless or worthless

Gadget

Minimus, how do most people in the congregation now view you? Do they still see you as some sort of 'spiritual giant' who should be looked up to because of the position you once held? Could this not be theocratic warfare to encourage gossip about what has happened with your family to try and make it so people think less of you and do not follow you? And it can't be gossip, because they're only talking about something from a meeting....

Dansk

You're right, Scooby! You ARE confused:

I also don't think these "men" in the Org that taught us what we once knew are judgemental at all,

Why do you think many of us are here? Had we not had the elders' judgemental attitude thrust upon us we may still have been in the Borg!

Yuk! Did I say that??! Still in the Borg

The point is, it was the damn judgemental attitude that got me to start searching for answers! Everything about the Borg is judgemental! The Borg is always condemning the world - that's judgemental! Only JWs will be saved - that's judgemental! Women don't deserve to be elders - ~~that's right~~ that's judgemental! Disfellowshipping - that's judgemental! - ad infinitum....................

Scooby, you've worn blinkers far too long. Come over to my house (where you'll be welcome) and I'll put you right!

Ian

jayhawk1

The problem is----they seem to have no idea why we've stopped going to all the meetings and stopped reporting time. I was told a month ago that the Presiding Overseer was supposed to call me but that hasn't happened. After the bookstudy, one sister approached my mother and asked her how we were doing. My mother gets very defensive and tells them to question me themselves and not to ask her anything about us or else she will cry. So they leave her alone. But within the last month, 2 other elders questioned her about my family and she told them that if they wanted to visit HER and give her a shepherding call to ENCOURAGE her that would be appreciated but if they wanted to quizz her about me, they should stay home.....And you wonder where I get it.

This reminds me of a similar situation I had. My mother was the first to quit and I kept going for several years afterward. There was no shortage of people, elders included, that would ask me how my mother was and why she was not there. Here I was between the ages of 13 and 17 doing my best to make the meetings and all they wanted to talk to me about was how my mother was. On more than one occasion I snapped saying, "Why don't you go to my house and ask her how she is." The constant asking about my mother and not seeming all that interested in me certainly did not help keep me faithful to that religion.

blondie

But within the last month, 2 other elders questioned her about my family and she told them that if they wanted to visit HER and give her a shepherding call to ENCOURAGE her that would be appreciated but if they wanted to quizz her about me, they should stay home.....

Good answer, mimimus? mom!

The others answered the programmed answers from the WTS publications.

I agree that the elder is a bozo. I have only been inactive a year and no elder I know would have asked a question like that unless it was part of the programmed crap.

There has been some "fishing" done of my family and "friends." But they know nothing because we have told them nothing. The elders are afraid to confront us, mostly afraid of Blondie.

Blondie

Yerusalyim

I left because the mints in the restrooms tasted like piss.

wednesday

Mim,

it is just my jopinion, but i agree with Growed up, i would not allow them to question my mother. i can see she is strong, but we all have our breaking pioint. I don't remember how much u have told your mom, but if she knows anything, they could get it out of her. We have all been so trained to believe that ratting on each other is the ultimate love. So she could break down and feel in a last desperate gasp that somehow she could help u by allowing the elders to know certain things. i wouldn't tell her anything else, for her own good. To protect her.

Are u in a small cong Min? Larger cong let people slip away and no one ever knows why.That is good if u want to leave, bad if u really need encourgement.

Amazing

Tell her to tell them that you have recently been Anointed by Jehovah, and that you will soon be returning in all your glory to give punishment to the Elders for their proud and unfaithful service. THAT ought to get them really talking about you.

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