LATEST INSTALLMENT OF APOSTATE "DOOM"...

by You Know 93 Replies latest jw friends

Seeker

Actually, TR, You Know responded to someone else, not me. He had steadfastly avoided my post, as well as Farkel's post.
He got scared earlier this week and I suspect he doesn't want to tangle with Farkel any more.
joelbear

I vote for Farkel to post his name and address here on the board. The board is getting dull. We need excitement. Even more excitement than the Tina/Francois fight.
MORE MORE MORE.
I demand to be entertained.
Like the quote from my favorite movie goes
Death injury blood and pain, Mohawk Mohawk win again.
It just doesn't matter hugs
Joel
Seeker

Farkel,
You said you would abide by whatever You Know said to your challenge. Here is the only response he's made so far, but in the PROFITS OF DOOM thread after I asked him about your challenge in this thread:
Posted: Jun 8, 2001 2:05:21 PM
But, it is obvious that the apostates can't handle the truth that I bring to bear upon you. I gotta laugh at you people. You imagine yourselves to be so enlightened as regards what you imagine the truth is. Yes, you dutifully underlined your Watchtower every week and you went to all the meetings like good little Christians. But when someone comes along who doesn't play by your rules, who uses the Bible in a way that nobody in your little book study ever did before, you can't handle it. You are a bunch of whiners. As for Farkle's blackmail and threats, Let Farkle do whatever he wants. / You Know
You have your answer, Farkel.
bjc2012

You Know,
As usual, you are off the track. I would like for you to explain how those of us who are outside the organization are going to have such an effect on those who are inside the organization? Ask anyone here who have relatives in the organization how effective they are in coercing them into turning against the WTS. Ask me, as I have two daughters still in the organization who have turned their backs on me. I can’t get to first base with them, they are ‘on guard’ against anything that I have to say whenever they deign to speak to me which is very rare. There is a fifty-foot wall between ‘us’ and ‘them’ yet you insist that we are going to have some apocalyptic effect on these JWs. I don’t think so!
The problems that you speak of are going to be caused by those apostates inside the organization, who are called ‘brother or sister,’ those sitting next to my daughters whom they trust, not from me, whom they do not trust. JWs expect persecution from those on the outside. They prepare for it. What they don’t expect is the persecution to come from within, from their own brothers. That’s why Jesus warned at Matthew 24:10 that “…many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another.” One betrays his close friend not his enemy. Jesus is more specific at Matthew 10:21, where he says: “Further, brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child, and children will rise up against parents and will have them put to death.” He is speaking about ‘spiritual family members.’ At Matthew 24:12, Jesus said: “…and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will cool off.” If you check the Greek Interlinear, you will find that the Greek word translated as love in this verse is ‘agape.’ And who is the only group on earth who expresses that type of love? We all know who makes that claim. So the lawlessness that you speak of is occurring within the organization and is caused by, not outsiders as you would like to believe, but by insiders, those who are called brothers. Outsiders could never inflict as much damage on this organization as those on the inside can. (See Acts 20:29, 30)
When Jesus spoke of ‘false prophets arising and misleading many’ in verse 11 of Matthew chapter 24, he would not have been talking about false prophets outside the congregations as there would be no need to use the term ‘arise.’ He is referring to those who would arise from within the congregation and would mislead many worshippers, those on the inside, their own brothers, like you, for instance. (2 Peter 2:1-3)
Why do you think that the emphasis is on a ‘great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now?’ I’ll tell you why. There will be such turmoil in the organization because JWs will be turning on each other, turning each other in to the governmental powers. And it will be a world-wide occurrence. Do you by some chance think that if a governmental agency wanted to know about current JWs, they would ask someone who has not been in the organization for 5 – 10 years? No, they would go to current members who have access to this knowledge, who can go into the file and give them the information that they want. Yes, they would ask the traitorous shepherds within the organization!
The ‘man of lawlessness’ is said to sit down in the ‘temple of the TRUE GOD’ of which you are claiming to be member. So, he sits among your number, your so-called ‘anointed’ brothers, right in the midst of your organization. Is there any wonder that ‘lawlessness will increase?’
You might want to read Zechariah 13:8, 9 to learn just how many JWs Jehovah considers worthy of saving and I think you will be surprised to learn just how many traitors there will be in this organization!
bjc
Copernicus

Farkel – as Seeker said, “you have your answer.”
Now what?
Farkel

: I believe YouBlow/Sideshow Bob has already given you permission to forward the incriminating info to the WT authorities.
I asked him for a simple "yes" or "no" answer and said that any other answer would be viewed as bullshit. He's playing games with me. Remember, he stated that he was confident the society wouldn't get excited about his raves. I challenged him by saying if they wouldn't get exicited would he care if I told them all about him.
I want everyone to know I am extremely uncomfortable about the idea of ratting on a JW, even one as sick and perverted and bile-spouting as YK. It would make me feel like a dub all over again to do so.
YK's bile and name-calling is no longer the issue for me. I'm certain I've caught him in another of his lies. (I've caught him in countless dozens of them over the years.) If he were to say "no, I don't give you permission, then he will have been shown to be a liar when he stated that the society wouldn't get excited over his stuff. Otherwise, he wouldn't care if I notified them about him and his activities. If he answered "yes," then he knows and I know he's a goner, and I would have had my part in making him a goner with his own permission.
But he weasals around with a statement like "do whatever you have to do." If I rat him under those circumstances, I'm the bad guy. If I don't then people like Copernicus will think I'm a coward or a wimp.
I must stick with my orginal challenge: "yes" or "no." If he says "yes", he will undoubtably be DF'd. If yes answers, "no," then he lied when he said the society wouldn't get "excited" about what he's doing. Either way, he's the loser.
YK is notorious for evading and skirting around issues he doesn't want to face.
So, it should be pretty obvious why has hasn't given the simple, one-word answer as I requested.
Farkel
Copernicus

Farkel:
I'd NEVER consider you a coward or a wimp, under any circumstances. Please don't think that, I've read to many of your posts to ever describe you that way.
I understand the delimma in which you find yourself - I simply wanted to force the issue and see us all move on.
I hope there are no hard feelings. E-mail me privately if you feel we need to resolve anything.
Copernicus
Copernicus

Now for YK. . .
YK: You asked if I ever heard of the arch of Titus?
Yes, ad nauseam, actually.
Hmmmmm. . . have you ever heard of revisionist histroy? Something written after the fact? The existence of the arch confirms nothing except the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. To connect it to words that could easily have been written as apologia by an understandably devastated member of that Jewish nation, desperate to justify the destruction of that “holy city,” is a bit of a reach in my mind. It’s one you are free to make however.
It is also interesting to me that only one bible writer saw fit to record a prophecy of such enormous impact, and that Paul did not see fit to reference it directly in his letter to the Hebrews at a time when it was so near to being fulfilled. His words being undeniably written prior to the Roman invasion.
On this subject: I’ve recently been reading a book that describes various documents from the early church. Believe me, they left the REALLY weird stuff out when they established the cannon. However, many of these bizarre documents stood as “inspired” missives up to that point. What does their physical existence prove? Ala your arch argument?
You said: “That's stupid. I don't claim to be a prophet.” But you are a self-appointed foreteller of events, are you not? That you bury your prognostications in the shifting sands of bible prophecy hardly alters that fact. Your basic argument, that the words of Jesus are inescapably fixed in future events, is hardly bolstered by your many interpretive failures. Perhaps that’s why you ignored (as is your wont) my references to performance – your own is so dismal.
You said: “Obviously you can't refute the fact that Jesus foretold the apostasy that you have become emeshed in.”
I don’t view it as a fact. Therefore, there is nothing to refute.
So I’ll repeat yet AGAIN: As Jesus (the true prophet said): “The scribes and the Pharisees (or any others who falsely claim divine authority) have seated themselves in the seat of Moses . . . for they say but do not perform.”
So even with him, performance was an issue.
I realized that in endlessly going door to door (just as YK endlessly rants) with this “sky is falling” message – and then having people see that the sky never falls – only served to dishonor God, and made the scriptures a laughing stock. What kind of faith does this “boy who cried wolf” fairy tale create? What kind of confidence does this failed message inspire? None - except to frighten people into jettisoning their lives in favor of serving and enriching a human corporation.
Performance was an issue with me as well.
Refute that.
Tina

Hi All!
I found a really funny w/s. The end is coming,(again) lol,,what date is that again? lol.............this reminded me too much of yk and the wts. See what you think...regards to all,Tina
http://www.subgenius.com/index.html.......have fun lol
You Know

I would like for you to explain how those of us who are outside the organization are going to have such an effect on those who are inside the organization?

First off, I would like to commend you for giving a well-reasoned response to my post. I am impressed. Apparently though, you misunderstood me or didn't entirely read what I actually wrote. This is an exact quote from the original post: "For the most part though, the ongoing apostasy has only affected a relative handful of Jehovah's Witnesses, but certainly it must be recognized that a large apostate community is developing, with the potential to stumble many more." I also stated that we may expect an eruption to occur among Jehovah's organization after the tribulation commences.
So the lawlessness that you speak of is occurring within the organization and is caused by, not outsiders as you would like to believe
That was not what I would have you believe. I pointed out how the increasing of lawlessness likey refers to the apostasy that will explode from within the organization during the tribulation. It is true that presently most Witnesses are scarcely aware of apostates. The only time they may be brought to mind is perhaps at a convention when they see some lunatic with placards and a bullhorn out in the parking lot.
When Jesus spoke of ‘false prophets arising and misleading many’ in verse 11 of Matthew chapter 24, he would not have been talking about false prophets outside the congregations as there would be no need to use the term ‘arise.’
I don't disagree with that. They will arise from within, as they already have, and Jesus forewarned that false christs would also mislead the world by performing such extrodinary signs that even the saints could be misled if that were possible.
Why do you think that the emphasis is on a ‘great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now?’ I’ll tell you why. There will be such turmoil in the organization because JWs will be turning on each other, turning each other in to the governmental powers.
Absolutely. There is no question about it. And as I haved pointed out over the years you will also take part in the blood-fest. When Jesus was about to be betrayed and executed he said that "the ruler of the world is coming and he has no hold on me." Similarly when the tribulation commences the demon horde will go crazy, and anyone who is not totally devoted to Jehovah will melt in fear. Can you say that the Devil has no hold on you? Obviously he already is very much ahold of apostates presently, so when the dark night of terror descends upon mankind you too will be betraying and killing. That's why Jehovah will be totally justified in sweeping the whole mess into the sewer.
And it will be a world-wide occurrence. Do you by some chance think that if a governmental agency wanted to know about current JWs, they would ask someone who has not been in the organization for 5 – 10 years? No, they would go to current members who have access to this knowledge, who can go into the file and give them the information that they want. Yes, they would ask the traitorous shepherds within the organization!
Right on. I would suppose that there are those in Bethel who will march right down the line and point out every anointed partaker in the joint.
The ‘man of lawlessness’ is said to sit down in the ‘temple of the TRUE GOD’ of which you are claiming to be member. So, he sits among your number, your so-called ‘anointed’ brothers, right in the midst of your organization. Is there any wonder that ‘lawlessness will increase?
The man of lawlessness sat down in God's temple centuries ago, but no doubt when Christ fully exposes him, during his glorious manifestation, no doubt the evil slave antichrist will be revealed and destroyed as well.
You might want to read Zechariah 13:8, 9 to learn just how many JWs Jehovah considers worthy of saving and I think you will be surprised to learn just how many traitors there will be in this organization!
No surprise here. As a matter of fact I called Bethel a few days ago and was discussing that very verse with some prominent brother there. There's no question that a massive purge is going to take place when Jehovah God rocks the heaven and the earth one last time. Those who are faithful though will receive Jehovah's blessing like it has never been poured out before.
/ You Know

LATEST INSTALLMENT OF APOSTATE "DOOM"...

Share this