by minimus 93 Replies latest jw friends
I thin Panda hit it on the head here, wickedness and good cannot exist without each other
Who makes it that way? Did someone plan it that way....that evil would accompany good? Someone has to be the bad guy. Some choose to be the bad guy. Why do some choose to be bad and others good? Is it POSSIBLE to have ONLY good without evil present?
Answer these questions for me and I'll rub your feet for an hour or so.
Gumby
Its the old schoolboy, magnifying glass, and ant syndrome I guess
A Paduan, who are you addressing here? And who do you think you are?
1. People who obviously don't get it (asking the questions), but proceed to God bash for everything not being they way that they think it should be.
- God forbid, Lord! This shall never happen to you." But he turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan!
( Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!)
2. Just someone else who has been given enough response-ability to help those who suffer. A feast - those blessed broken and handed to us - but we've got other things we need to do ?? Just blame God instead ??
I kind of take it a bit personally. The Jews rend their clothes. Sorry if it sounds a bit strong.
If he does allow wickedness then how could he hold anyone responsible for their misgivings. It would mean he has allowed us to become as flawed and imperfect as we are today, exactly the way he allowed us to be.
The idea of why he allows wickedness according to the scriptures is to settle the issue of Universal Sovreignty...come on
God: I created All things great and small have infinite wisdom, compassion and love....did you hear me....I am the greatest....really....I'll prove it to you....your going to regret the day you questioned my authority. The God who allows Angels one by one to leave heaven until a third have left, the God who allows the Apostate Satan to mingle freely in his heavenly abode and influence all the other angels....
Hi Satan...where ya been......Oh just chillin on the earth along with a little roving about like a roaring lion action......How's that working out for you.....Not bad can't complain, I figured out that whole chronology thing ya know...I'm not stupid...had me baffeled at first but then this C.T guy let it slip about the Pyramid connection and presto....So I know when you plan on evicting me.......I am what I am.......Yeah ok Popeye...Can I ask why you plan on cramming us on earth, Jupiter is bigger......Yeah I know but a comet is going to crash on that in 90 years or so..
I don't mean to knock God, just the way he's depicted in the bible and also that a loving intelligent creator would act in such a callous manner...
Because wickedness is always possible as long as there is free will, and there will always be free will.
When Satan decided to use his free will to tempt Adam and Eve, and the Adam and Eve used their free will and sinned, they became imperfect, raising the probability of wicked humans more than if they had remained in their perfect created state.
James Thomas and Gadget have the right idea on this question. The problem is that when we try to conceptualize God, we place God outside ourselves. There is no God outside ourselves. There is only God acting in and through all of us. Good and evil are conceptions and therefore unreal (impermanent). It is all illusion or as the Hindus say, "Maya". A guy by the name of Walter Starke wrote a great book on this subject called. 'It's All God'. We were created in perfection and in God's eyes remain perfect. Ella Wheeler Wilcox, who wrote a number of beloved Christian Hymns wrote:
God and I alone in space and no one else in view..
"And where are the people, Lord", I asked,
"The earth beneath, the skies overhead and the dead whom I once knew?"
"Nay those were but dreams, "god smiled and said,
"Dreams that have ceased to be true.
There were no people living or dead-there was only myself and you."
"And why do I feel no fear," I asked,
"Seeing You here this way?
For I have sinned I know full well...
And is there a heaven and is there a hell?"
And is this the judgment day??"
"Nay, those were but dreams,"the great God smiled,
"Dreams that have ceased to be.
For there were no such things as fear and sin-
And you-yourself, you have never been
For there is NOTHING AT ALL BUT ME!!!!"
Love_truth
and the Adam and Eve used their free will and sinned, they became imperfect, raising the probability of wicked humans more than if they had remained in their perfect created state.
I know that's what the bible teaches but how is it possible for a thought process to affect you so immedietly and severly at the cellular level...their first child was a murderer, their second child slaughtered sheep and offerred them to God. ( Would a God of love require that)
Is there a possibility that mankind would never sin and lose imperfection seeing the past history of mankind as told in the bible...man seems incapable of living upto the requirement of perfection. ( Leave Jesus out of this one for now )
Even the Universe is not perfect with asteroids and comets crashing into planets and metorites hitting earth.
Where the dinosaurs created perfect and God decided to let them die because an asteroid accidentally collided with the earth or did he intentionally wipe them out?
I'm not trying to knock you these are questions that float around in my pea brain and are difficult to answer!
Free Will!
Because him and other spiritual creatures enjoy watching the human show from up above.
Or better yet, 'cause he's a jerk.
DY
God permits wickedness for it's entertainment value. This way he and his angels can enjoy watching us the same way we enjoy watching TV. Think about it. How much TV would you watch or how many books would you read if there was no conflict? No good or bad guys? Imagine watching TV for a day where everyone gets along, eating watermelons while sitting under their fig trees. All the characters wear polyester pants and flowery dresses that never get dirty, as in so many Watchtower pictures. Imagine hockey games with no teams, where goalies step out of the way so other players can score. Of course, no one keeps track of the scores, because that would be too competitive.
It would get boring very fast.
If he exists at all, he permits wickedness for its entertainment value.
