This is horrible....

by desib77 134 Replies latest social current

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  Cassiline

  Your comparison of a football game with a chance happening to a war zone with a more-frequent happening of hostage-taking, etc. doesn't seem comparable to me.~~Patio

  
  Patio

  You know the only reason I wrote that little analogy was because you first brought up being hit by a drunk driver and being killed because one is not wearing a seat belt. How you may think that this comes close to what happened to Nick Berg makes me wonder.

  Thanks for your reply. If a person were hit and killed by a drunk driver, would it be wrong to say he wasn't wearing a seat belt? It seems to me that people want to know all the facts, even if they're unpleasant. ~~Patio

  But I was NOT, NOR were you comparing the two situations. MY point was instead of assigning blame to an INNOCENT victim we should not. Compassion for those who can not grasp the situation is needed, especially so close to the incident itself.

  Later, much later, after tensions have cooled perhaps to analyze how others can remain safe may be appropriate but so shortly after the event is not going to accomplish a thing and only make tensions between people worse. Compassion for all hurting now is what is needed not those who wish to assign blame to an innocent party.

  Cassi
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  blacksheep

  If we ever meet at an Apostafest, I'll buy you a cup of coffee or a drink.

  You're on...but can we make it a , or better yet a ? ??
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  talesin

  Me, too! Aw, I love you gals!
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  xjw_b12

  I can't imagine the grief and pain being felt right now by that poor man's family. One thing to learn of his murder. Quite another to have it broadcast for the world to see and hear.

  On April 5, the Bergs sued the government in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. Berg was released the next day, and he told his parents he had not been mistreated. They did not hear from him after April 9.

  Do we know, just who was underneath those hoods?
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  ApagaLaLuz

  Sorry, I have to put my two cents back in. Someone just emailed me the video of the beheading. I did not complete watching it. It's disturbing, and I am very sad for his family, that this is being exploited online.
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  myauntfanny

  xjwb12

  Do we know, just who was underneath those hoods?

  I have had that thought too.
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  frenchbabyface

  Now XJW - you put something knew to me in the picture ... (please people read it twice)
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  myauntfanny

  blacksheep

  Oh, so sorry. Right. Osama bin laden is one fine example of a human.

  Actually, I never said he was a fine example of a human being. I just said that it takes away from our humanity to call other human beings subhumans.

  I should have said something that might hurt his feelings. Or the feelings of the "human" who sawed of Nick Berg's head. That Islamofascist is still a person with feelings...

  I never said that I was worried about the feelings of people who do such things. I said that calling them subhuman led to escalating violence. The Islamofascist is, of course, still a person with feelings, as is anyone who commits an atrocity. I don't think that we need necessarily need to concern ourselves with those feelings, although some people will still feel compassion for them. I know that I personally feel rather sorry for the American soldiers who abused the Iraqi soldiers. Through their dehumanising of the alien "other" they have now hurt themselves, their families, their country, and have a shadow on the rest of their lives, and on their souls. The beheaders of Nick Berg also undoubtedly thought he was subhuman, or they couldn't have done what they did. But this is where it always leads to think of other humans as subhuman. The Turks thought the Armenians were subhuman, Hitler thought the Jews were subhuman, the Jews think the Palestinians are subhuman, and so on. Of course it hurts others if we think they are subhuman, and it makes them murderously angry, and we are right to be scared of them when we think that about them. But what concerns me even more is how much it hurts us to think of others as subhuman. We can so easily become the people we despise.
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  Big Tex

  Do we know, just who was underneath those hoods?

  You mean something like this:

  Less than two weeks before election day, a scandal erupts that threatens to cripple the President's bid for a second term. But before the incident can cause irreparable damage, a mysterious fixer is called to the White House. The ultimate spin doctor, Conrad Brean (Robert DeNiro) has the uncanny ability to manipulate politics, the press and most importantly, the American people.

  Anticipating the reaction of a frenzied press corps, Brean deftly deflects attention from the President by creating a bigger and better story - a war. With the help of Stanley Motss (the "t" is silent) (Dustin Hoffman), a famed Hollywood producer and his irreverent entourage, Brean assembles an unlikely crisis team who orchestrate a global conflict unlike any ever seen on CNN.

  Wickedly fictional with historical overtones truer than many care to admit, Wag The Dog examines the blurred lines between politics, the media and show business.

  Dustin Hoffman and Robert DeNiro lead an all-star cast in Barry Levinson's Wag The Dog. Written by Hilary Henkin and David Mamet, this comedy focuses on the machinations of power as a presidential spin doctor (DeNiro) teams with a celebrated Hollywood producer (Hoffman) to manufacture a fake war
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  LyinEyes

  ((((((( Cassi))))))) I try to stay out of these kinds of threads because I know I can get very emotional, but I wanted you to know that I agree with your viewpoint on this. I know this hits close to home for you. Please send Max our love OK? Hugs to you sweetie........, Dede