Chev babe,
Ive been hiding
And they opened up a Hooters so ive been busy
Besides, the whole Iraq thing is pretty depressing.
This is horrible....
by desib77 134 Replies latest social current
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frenchbabyface
has been blamed by the US for orchestrating terrorist attacks in Iraq since the fall of Saddam Hussein.
Yeah ... What is true and what is not ? (your right to believe) Whatever
And what did you add yourself : since the fall of Saddam Hussein (Ooops ! not before ?)
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SixofNine
For Porky
How many POWs from the Vietnam war came back? While 2 Iraqi deaths is two to many and unexcusable, I dont remember there being ANY American POW's becuase they all wind up DEAD the next day.
I would rather be a Iraqi POW than an American one.
Well, lets see, John McCain, a real man who last night on Letterman was making sure not to minimize the prison abuse just because of his sufferings as a pow in 'nam. Imagine that, a true patriot and warrior commiserating over Iraqis sufferings. Then there is Shoshana Johnson, who has expressed shock, disgust, and dismay at the examples of American abuse, and had positive things to say about her Iraqi captors.
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Richie
I heard an American discuss the photos of the Iraqi prisoners being "humiliated" by American guards on US radio this afternoon. And what he said made me rethink my initial feelings of outrage. Before I tell you what he said, I will say just this:
What the Americans did to those Iraqis pale in comparison to what Arabs and Islamists in general have done to their enemies, continue to do, and will do well into the future. Daniel Pearl, the Wall Street journalist wasn't just humiliated, he was butchered before the cameras. Not just once, but twice, because the first time wasn't sufficiently gory. Nicholas Berg wasn't just humiliated, he was also butchered before the cameras.
As the story begins to unfold, it has become clear that Nicholas Berg was taken into custody by the Iraqi police because he had a Jewish last name, and an Israeli stamp in his passport. After being released by the Iraqis, he was told by the Americans that it wasn't safe for him to be in Iraq. It will take a mountain of convincing to make me believe that the Iraqi police didn't finger Berg for being a Jew and a possible Israeli spy.
The 6 dead Israeli soldiers weren't just blown up (May 12, 2004) in an act of war at Gaza, their bodies were desecrated, with the severed head of one Israeli kicked about by children as if it were a soccer ball. Nice children.
Now I'll tell you what the American on the radio had to say: The pictures were taken not just to humiliate the "victims", but rather to use them against the "victims" to extract information.
Instead of using physical torture, the Americans used humility in the belief that the Iraqis would say what the Americans wanted to hear, just so the photos would never be shown to their families and friends.
To the Arab and Islamist mind-set, humiliation, especially at the hands of a woman, might very well be a sentence worse than torture or death. It's a stink that can live with them forever. The photos were also used to show what fate awaited other Iraqi prisoners who might want to think twice about not cooperating.
So, I ask myself: What's worse, a plate-full of humility, or a slow agonizing decapitation before the lens of a camera? No matter how hard I try, I can't imagine the horror the victims felt at the hands of their Arab murderers. What kind of savages can do such a thing?
The Iraqis are killing, wounding and maiming American soldiers and American non military supporters every day. Nicholas Berg wasn't a soldier, he was there as a humanitarian who wanted to help out. For his goodness, he was murdered in an incomprehensibly horrible way for all to see.
Perhaps, if one of those "humiliated" Iraqis spilled the beans as a result of this crass American behavior towards their prisoners, Berg would still be alive. Perhaps the other 4 American non military workers who were murdered and then strung up in Fallujah would also be alive. Maybe fewer Americans and cooperative Iraqis would be alive today too. But we'll never really know.
Those horrible images of "humiliated" Iraqis have touched a raw nerve amongst most of us civilized folk of the modern Western world. But we're not the ones in Iraq fighting a vicious enemy who will slowly cut off our heads as the camera rolls. Are we?
It's easy for us to sit in judgement because we don't have to live from minute to minute not knowing which Jihadist monster is going to murder us or our friends. It's a very different story between imagining what it's like and actually being there. Let the Americans "humiliate" these horrible creatures until the cows come home, if it will save just one Nicholas Berg. His life was worth all of theirs combined.
I'm sick and tired of hearing about the Iraqi prisoner "humiliations". North American university frat houses do worst to their pledges. If I was an American soldier in Iraq, knowing what could lay before me from a hostile American press, and a politicized Congress, I wouldn't be too quick in wanting to take any prisoners. Dead Iraqi insurgents are far less trouble, and won't ever be able to do harm to anyone. And they can't be "humiliated".
The next thing we'll hear from the world press, especially the American press and the Leftist elitists is that the Iraqi insurgents should have full Miranda Rights. Perhaps someone should remind the media and the Leftists that America is at war where the rules of the Marquis of Queensberry don't really apply. And to the Arabs, the Geneva Convention is nothing more than a suggestion.
The President of the United States should never have apologized, since his apology has never been accepted in the good faith that it was given., and the enemy would only see the apology as weakness. But knowing this didn't take any great intellect. It's just the way it is.
But now it's time to apologize for the apology. Screw the insurgents. Do what has to be done over there. And get the troops home as soon as possible. The Iraqis are just not worth this pain.Richie :*)
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xjw_b12
To those of us who are disturbed by the mistreatment of Iraqi's and the hands of their captors, I would suggest you view the movie "Strip Search"
Plot Outline: Strip Search follows several parallel stories examining personal freedoms vs. national security in the aftermath of 9/11; two main subplots involve an American woman detained in China and an Arab man detained in New York City.
I'm not recomending, nor saying I agree with the message the movie relays, but it can give you some insight into how any government can work to "protect it's interests"
Humans been committing deplorable and unthinkable acts against each other since recorded history. None of this should come as any big surprise.
Makes me wish I believed in reincarnation, so I could come back as an animal, or insect.
xjw_b12 who on days like this feels ashamed to be a human.
