This is horrible....

by desib77 134 Replies latest social current

  • patio34
    patio34

    Hi Cassi,

    You said:

    Later, much later, after tensions have cooled perhaps to analyze how others can remain safe may be appropriate but so shortly after the event is not going to accomplish a thing and only make tensions between people worse. Compassion for all hurting now is what is needed not those who wish to assign blame to an innocent party.

    I agree.

    Now, when Blacksheep, Talesin, and I meet at an apostafest or something, I'll buy you a too!

    Blacksheep,

    You're on!

    Talesin,

    to you too!

    Pat

  • patio34
    patio34

    To Cassi and Blacksheep,

    You know, I think I've changed my mind and agree with you that I shouldn't have posted that information about Nick Berg. This wasn't the place nor time.

    I retract it and admit it was insensitive.

    Pat

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep

    The beheaders of Nick Berg also undoubtedly thought he was subhuman, or they couldn't have done what they did. But this is where it always leads to think of other humans as subhuman.

    I see what you are saying, but I would think that for normal people who have the basic sense of being humans, to have a natural basic compassion for others...seeing others commit these acts leaves you with such an emotional impact that the only thing you can come up with to explain why they did this was that that have no normal human feeling.

    The difference between what the killers view of Nick Berg, and our horror at seeing what they did to him and calling them sub-human is that Nick Berg did NOTHING wrong. It's like having your daughter kidnapped and murdered. The murderor is in the wrong. The cold-blooded murder of a defenseless person is wrong, has no basic humanity. Yes, it is wrong to call or view people selectively as a race as subhuman and do some type of ethnic cleansing. Hitler was subhuman for doing that, as far as I'm concerned.

    But somehow we have to make sense out of something like a child's being murder or an innocent man being murdered...because it defies humanity.

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep

    Patio...thanks but don't worry about it. Emotions are running high, and I think we're just all trying to make some sense out of it. When there just is no sense to be made out it.

  • talesin
    talesin
    But somehow we have to make sense out of something like a child's being murder or an innocent man being murdered...because it defies humanity.

    So true. DAMN I am so sad right now.

    And Patio, yes,,, and blacksheep,,, wouldn't the three of us have such a good time at an apostafest together? heheheh I have a big smile on my face, just thinking about it, in spite of the sadness that prevails right now!

    tal

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface
    But somehow we have to make sense out of something like a child's being murder or an innocent man being murdered...because it defies humanity.

    Maybe this question should have being checked before this war killed so much innocent people (about 9/11 retaliations = the word itself just made it the way it is - retaliate no matter on who) who killed those innoncent people on very non relevant "hints" ?

    If we could just talk and understand before any WAR (of course the govs don't help in this matter they have they own interrests) this just pitifull

  • talesin
    talesin
    If we could just talk and understand before any WAR

    Yes, FBF, that's why it warms my heart that we, here, can work out our differences and not be at each other's throats. Cheers to all!

    I'm happy to see you back here. It must have been hard for you, reading the nasty comments by some about the French. I'm sorry you had to hear that. {{{{{FBF}}}}}

    tal

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep

    Maybe this question should have being checked before this war killed so much innocent people (about 9/11 retaliations = the word itself just made it the way it is - retaliate no matter on who) who killed those innoncent people on very non relevant "hints" ?

    The war wasn't about retaliation, it was not tolerating terrorism and people who threaten the US. It's not a matter of you did this to us, so there! we'll do this to you in return. It's about the obligation to protect our American people from people who clearly don't negotiate and don't play by what civilized nations know to the normal rules of war: not attacking innocent civilians just to make a huge, spectacular, fear inspiring message.

    If we could just talk and understand before any WAR (of course the govs don't help in this matter they have they own interrests) this just pitifull

    You don't negotiate with terrorists. Talking to them doesn't/hasn't help. They already view the US as weak on terror, unable to take up and STAY in war because we can't stand to see our people die. It's because of our repeatedly turned the other cheek and the other way, is why we got hit on 9/11 and why we'll get hit again on our own soil.

  • Badger
    Badger

    I wouldn't say negotiating with terrorists NEVER works...The British do every time they deal with Sinn Fein

    These terrorists, though, I really wouldn't talk to. Just find them, take them out, and get out of Iraq ASAP

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface

    (((Talisen ))),

    Yeah it's good to see that we are able to talk even when we do not agree in the first place at least on why ? (why, is the part that we don't know that much about)

    I don't know what they said about the French (the fact is that we have MF monsters here too) And I'm ok for people to talk about it, I guess we have to on every subject that effects us in our own country and people all over the world ... I just want peace and peace only comes from understanding not from murders/wars

    All that we know is that innocent people are paying the real bill with theire lives ... AND THIS MUST STOP !

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