The Answer to high Gas Prices.....

by ThiChi 159 Replies latest social current

  • Realist
    Realist

    drwtsn,

    Yes, the US consumes more resources than any other nation, but we also produce more than any other nation.

    first of all the US is using an unproportional amout of energy. you guys (i know thats a generalization thats is not fair to everyone!) have poor insulation on your houses, drive cars that are larger than required (the more the burn the better), have a underdeveloped public transportation system, poor requirements for the industry etc.

    secondly...producing all the stuff is actually the main source of the problem. humanity should get out of the consumption madness! most of the trash produced is just a burden to the people who buy it.

  • Princess
    Princess
    this is not about woman or man...this is about ignorance!

    I have a hard time believing you would call a man the names you have called me

    (and save the JW bullshit...i never belonged to this silly religion).

    Oh, are we supposed to be impressed?

    couldn't help but notice you didn't respond to the suggestion you are young and possibly small.

    Yes, we had a choice and we chose big. The purpose of the vehicle is to advertise our company. Bigger vehicle, bigger billboard. Most of the advertising is done while it SITS in a driveway or parking lot. I don't use any more fuel than the guy who commutes 50 miles each way, in fact, I use way less. I don't commute, I work from home.

    You sure make a lot of generalizations and throw about names.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi
    Ananova: Car Exhausts "May Slow Global Warming"
    A climate expert says global warming could be balanced out by the cooling effect of car exhausts. He says aerosols pumped out by vehicles can lead to the formation of rain droplets in clouds which, in turn, has a cooling effect. Computer climate models which predict global warming may not have taken this effect into account.

    Ran Ramanathan, of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in California, says aerosol output has increased by about a third since 1980. The Times reports he has calculated that the cloud-seeding effect of aerosols could lower temperatures locally by up to 2.5C.

    Aerosols are also produced by industrial processes and naturally by volcanoes but do have some negative health and environmental effects. Ramanathan said: "There is a possibility that it might add more impact or virtually balance all the impact of greenhouse warming."
  • ball.
    ball.

    Thi Chi, that's an interesting quote but contains the same logic as the argument that says that the world in general benefits from the early deaths of smokers who do not need long term care after their working lives because they are dead, having spent their working lives paying extra taxes.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    Not a fair analogy. If a beneficial byproduct of vehicle emissions in fact do exist, then it must be considered to mitigate any adverse effect.

    Here is my take on the subject.....

    Why We Shouldn??t Fear Global Warming

    Vice President Al Gore has called the threat of global warming "the most serious problem our civilization faces." And President Clinton has stated, "We simply must halt global warming. It is a threat to our health, to our ecology, and to our economy." But there is no consensus among scientists that the earth is actually getting warmer. And even if there were, is global warming something that we should fear?

    In Climate of Fear: Why We Shouldn??t Worry about Global Warming, Thomas Gale Moore, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, says no. Despite many dire predictions, global warming??should it occur??would benefit most people.

    Moore looks at historical evidence and finds that the temperature of the earth has fluctuated dramatically over the past 200,000 years. And he reports that mankind has "prospered during warm periods and suffered during cold ones." For example, agriculture was made possible by warmer climates. "From its origins around 8000 b.c.," writes Moore, "agriculture spread northward, appearing in Greece about 6000 b.c., Hungary in 5000 b.c., France in 4500 b.c., and Poland in 4250 b.c. Is it chance that this northward spread followed a gradual warming of the climate that made agriculture more feasible at higher latitudes?"

    Life spans also increased in periods characterized by warmer weather. Moore looks at life expectancy from 8000 b.c. to a.d. 1400 and finds that the "warmest periods, the Neolithic, Bronze Age, and the thirteenth century, enjoyed the longest life spans of the entire period."

    Would mankind benefit from higher temperatures during the next several decades or centuries? That is, would history repeat itself? Moore argues that it would. He predicts that increased carbon dioxide emissions, coupled with warmer autumns and winters, would boost agricultural production, reduce heating costs, improve transportation, and cut fatalities. Moreover, many people simply prefer warmer weather.

    Even if such benefits were not realized, it would still be foolish to impose regulations aimed at curbing global warming. Cutting carbon dioxide emissions by a third??as some environmentalists have advocated??would decrease world economic output and wealth much more than would the negative effects of global warming.

    Moore urges policymakers to take a sensible look at global warming, one based on sound scientific and economic reasoning, not emotion and hysteria. "Except for those measures that make sense in any case, such as eliminating subsidies to energy and energy use," concludes Moore, "Congress should stand fast against any steps to limit greenhouse gas emissions."

  • Dan-O
    Dan-O
    the fact that all people around the planet want to increase their living standard will cause a gigantic problem

    So what do you propose? Return to living in huts sculpted from animal dung and straw? We could transport ourselves & our wares by oxen, which would provide a ready source of dung. Or is that too much like some sort of "eco freak" solution, as you put it?

  • Stefanie
    Stefanie

    I had to put gas today. Its $1.90 a gallon for the cheap kind. At least its not $5.50 a gallon like it is in the UK...

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32
    Its $1.90 a gallon for the cheap kind.

    That's 35 cents cheaper than in my area. I have to use premium in my car and it costs $2.45/gal.

    Happy b-day by the way!

  • Realist
    Realist

    princess,

    lets forget about this. i should not have insulted you. but it woud be good if you could recognize the environemntal problems associated with SUVs and our lifestyle in general.

    PS: i am unfortunately not that young anymore and am 180 cm tall or small.

    life long and in prosper!

    Dan,

    it is a simple fact that the planet does not have enough resources for 6+ billion people to life like we do in the US and europe. therefore it would appear logical that we use up as little energy and resources as possible. this might give us enough time to keep the system running until new technologies become available.

    i am by the way not overly concerned with global warming etc...but there is really no need to senselessly waste resources and destroy the environment for fun.

    thichi,

    we are talking about senselessly wasting oil and other resources! putting insulation on your houses and driving cars that use less instaed of more and more gas would not reduce your life standard and safe us some years.

    i have not heard a lot of scientists who claim the good would outweigh the bad in global warming. the increased lifespan in warm periods in the past was due to the fact that people were more vulnarable to cold periods back then.

    overall it is of course right that humankind will have to survive temp changes caused by batural effects in the long run. but there is no reason to make it occur sooner than necessary - especially as long as we don't have technologies to deal with a lot of the problems caused by it (growing deserts, increased storm activity, raising sea levels etc.).

  • Jim_TX
    Jim_TX

    Realist,

    Perhaps you could share with us what YOU are personally doing in the way of...

    Home insulation -

    Type of vehicle you drive - that is economical (state MPGs) -

    etc.

    Do you have solar panels installed on your home to create electricity from the sun?

    Do you have a solar water heater?

    Do you live in a straw-bale home, or other type of construction that is energy-efficient?

    Enlighten us, oh wise one.

    Regards,

    Jim TX

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