by ThiChi 159 Replies latest social current
BUT where does the hydrogen come from? problem is you need energy to produce it!
What are some of the sources of hydrogen?
Hydrogen always combined with other elements such as oxygen and carbon, so it can be generated from numerous sources ? water, natural gas, propane, methanol, and ethanol. Some innovative sources include peanut shells, methane, sodium borohydride, ammonia, digester gas and using algae.
big tex,
what is your estimate of how much hydrogen can you extract from peanuts?
but seriously...hydrogen can be produced from hydrocarbons...but where do you get them? the sources are insufficient to produce enough hydrogen!
the only way would be fusion...which produces enough electricity to get the hydrogen via electrolysis out from water. (or cover half of africa with solar cells!)
know there are a lot of problems still to be worked out with the technology
What I said in my original post.
What little I do know of the technology is the fact that there is more hydrogren than any other (forgive the wrong terminology) resource/mineral/gas/item/molecule/thing on the earth. It just seems reasonable to attempt to tap in to such a large resource, especially if it turns out to burn as cleanly as it is advertised.
Hmmm... someone is throwing out a lot of 'millions' and 'billions' - and 'barrels' and 'gallons' and 'liters'... and the numbers do not add up.
Perhaps you could clarify for me some of these numbers.
I.E. "... the world is burning 73 million barrels of gas per day..."
The last time I checked, OPEC was still using the 55-gallon drum as a 'barrel' size. That means that - according to YOUR statement, that is about 4.015 billion gallons per day.
Next, you say...
" according to OPEC numbers north america has 30% of world wide oil consumption! (7.78 BILLION gallons = 1.2 TRILLION liters per year!)"
Well... 30% of 4.015 billion gallons, is about... 1.2 billion gallons per day. Or - about 432 billion gallons per year. This is way over the numbers that I have in front of me, and that I gave the source for in my previous post. State your sources, please?
"... 7.78 BILLION gallons = 1.2 TRILLION liters per year..."
Now... I need to use a calculator to do my conversions... but I get 7.78 billion as equating to about 29.4 billion liters, and not that 1.2 trillion liters. Am I doing this calculation correctly?
Ya know what? Don't bother to reply. I've read enough to know your 'expertise' on the matter.
Regards,
Jim TX
I think you should all drive motorcycles..
Sincerely,
District Overbeer of the "$7.00 a week for gas" class
had you remained silent could you have passed as a decent person
Seriously can't believe you wrote that. You must be either an ex-elder who still can't handle women who speak, or (and I think this is the case) you are younger (and probably shorter) than I am and trying to sound older.
You do realize that I absolutely don't give a rat's ass about what anyone thinks of my car? Do you think I'm the only person on JWD who owns a big SUV? Would you like me to start a thread so we can all check in and then you can just go to town with the name calling and insults?
Dan-O, you are a doll. Thanks for your support. Ditto for the others who pm'd.
It's just a car for christ's sake. My last car I sold after owning for five years and it only had 40K miles on it. I don't drive much.
The Volkswagen Lupo gets upwards of 80mpg - it's a diesel - and is only available in Europe though.
Yeah, it's only a 3-banger, and 2-passenger, but - Hey! I'd buy one if the silly American market would allow it to come here.
Regards,
Jim TX
P.S. PLUS!! It'd run just fine on bio-diesel - which I could manufacture in my own backyard. *grin*
Hey Jim...have you heard about the diesel conversion kits that use old cooking grease? You could go all over the country and just stop for a day or two, get some grease from a local greasy spoon , make some fuel and keep going. That would be interesting to try and do I think. I would also imagine that if the larger tractor trailers could be converted to such a thing not only would prices go down, but fuel would be cheaper for them. Especially since they contribute to the grease pits of the United states at a pretty good clip...*LOL*
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
Hey Jim...have you heard about the diesel conversion kits that use old cooking grease? You could go all over the country and just stop for a day or two, get some grease from a local greasy spoon , make some fuel and keep going
Hey Valis a friend of mine is currently working on building one. He bought a 1989 Diesel VW Jetta, and he's nearly done with it. Some guy wrote a book about detailing how to do it. I started to read it and got bored. But my friend expects to have it completed by mid-june. He even wrote to MTV's "Pimp my Ride" show about it. They were interested, but he was too old for their criteria
jim,
i think we are actually on the same side. i do support the use of alternative energy sources...but i do not see how those could produce enough energy to supply the growing world consumption.
about my post ... yep i typed gallons instead of barrels!
The last time I checked, OPEC was still using the 55-gallon drum as a 'barrel' size. That means that - according to YOUR statement, that is about 4.015 billion gallons per day.
according to www.OPEC.org one barrel is 159 liters. so the numbers i posted are correct ...just that it should say barrels instead of gallons. sorry for that! (PS: why can't you guys switch to the metric system for crying out loud?! )
but even your numbers say that only a fraction of the current consumption could be produced by agricultural means.
