My Turn!

by Derrick 68 Replies latest jw friends

  • Tina
    Tina

    Hi Francoise,
    I know the feeling. I had posts deleted BEFORE they even hit the board! What was weird was that posts directed at me were deleted because I MIGHT find them offensive....while at the same time a post calling me a filthy apostate hole was left until on the board until it was brought to their attention?????? (shakin head here)
    Im trying to think what that message was I got why my posts were deleted before they hit the board. Did anyone else get that or remember? ahhh memories.regards,Tina

    psssssst BETHelMOle's the name

  • VeniceIT
    VeniceIT

    OHH Tina oopps I mean BETHelMOle you look FABULAS DARLING!!!!

    Ven

  • Tina
    Tina

    why thankk you Venizia Dahlink....I owe it all to you!! You haff a vay vit peektures,wink.Luv ya sweetie,Beth

    psssssst BETHelMOle's the name

  • Suzis Ghost
    Suzis Ghost

    Derrick,

    I might be misreading your statements, but the impression I'm getting is that you in some way started H20 with the intent of someday getting funding and some sort of messiah status.

    When you start something "for the good" and because you believe in it, it shouldn't be to get praise and monetary rewards. I speak from personal experience. I've been running a web site for going on three years now, I feature unknown artists and writers who would not be even looked at because they were considered "too vulgar", "too profane", or "sick". Who was I to judge? My writers have talent. If people get offended, well, it's not like I'm losing sponsors because of it. I started my site because _I_ had been censored, and edited to hell, and for every agent who told me I was too something or other (usually dealing with too much violence or some nonsense like that), I had ten people tell me they loved it, and most importantly THEY GOT THE MESSAGE.

    One of those people helped me to start the site, and now it's solely mine. It's a democracy, more or less, because I know it's important to keep up with things, but I never started the site because I expected something from it. I just wanted to give people like me a chance to have their art or writing shown to the rest of the world-- the UNEDITED versions. I expected raw emotion and maybe even a little depravity, but the writing is exceptional.

    My site hasn't made a single profit. The money comes out of my pocket. I don't ask for funding. I don't expect funding. I don't even expect a thank you, and I reply to every email I get personally.

    The site has grown from 1,000 hits per month mainly just out of the U.S. to over 40,000 hits a month, worldwide. When I get emails now, i'm pleasantly surprised if they say thanks.

    My point in all of this is: don't hold ANY expectations, and don't try to silence people because you don't care for what they say. There are those I can't stand on this board, but I wouldn't silence any of them, even after they deleted me.

    Soo... I guess had I ever visited your site, I would have been one of the quickly deleted contributors, despite the fact that I actually had a coherent message?

    Suzi

    Because I could not stop for Death
    He kindly stopped and took me out to lunch.

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    Prisca - Settle!

    G'day Der-Rick,

    I am offended by people who are offended by the "F" word and especially those dopey, donkey-brained morons who write **** in it's place or say stupid words like basket instead of bastard. Now that's offensive! That kind of thing shows a total lack of appreciation of english at it's best. (from Shakespeare to the Old Testament renditions of Jehovah's own words) Tina is right - why don't you front up and answer her? You come on here dragging up old shity arguments instead of adddressing them when and where they happen and wonder why most people think you're loopy.

    H20 was great Rick, despite the fact that it's reform agenda stank, it had a clique of arrogant athiest depressives, 101 fundy fanatics, it's moderators were very stupid, without a basic understanding of good english, human nature, jehovah's witness thinking or just about anything else of importance to a discussion board. (shaking head at the hundreds of posts I had deleted for quoting the bible, talking about polygamy, parodying fundy's etc.. oh what a bad boy I was! .. eyeroll)

    God knows why you crap on in support of JanG's illegal, immoral activity while banning bible verses and classic poetry from your site. .. truly bizzare. You seem to thjink of those still in the big org as somekinda kids that gotta be honeypotted out with smooth words. Let me tell ya most JWs won't be put off by 'real' words .. it's what they've been told to expect of these sites. You never appreciated what you had Rick - all that telling Alan and Farkel to fuck off finally worked, you got your wish ... careful what you wish for?

    One of the stupidest things you've said in this blundering bluff was "this site has potential" LOL! When are you gonna see things as they are instead of following pipe dreams... like when on h20 you used to say "you folks suck - I can't wait for better people to come post" wake-up loopy - this site is there at the pinacle of success NOW.

    Rick you are without doubt one of the most lamebrained, arrogant, self-obssessed cyber-cops on the net.

    unclebruce.

    PS: Your turn eh? LOL - 'your flip' more like.

    PSS: I almost flipped myself yesterday - all day at work I kept writting notes to AlanF in responce to his callous slotting of people into types and anti-types. One good thing came outy of it for me though - while I vented against old h20's "intelligencia gang" I thought about all the good friends I met that weren't, initially anyway, good enough company for those cyber snobs - Good people I'll hold as friends for the rest of my life - Mtzion, Golf, WW, Tina, Danny, Todd, Friday, and the list goes on and on .. ordinary people with extraudinary talents (yes I even count FredHall and Bathory as friends)

    All this said Rick I respect your gentlemanliness around the ladies, if I have grandkids you can babysit them anytime.

  • Derrick
    Derrick

    Susie, if you re-read my post, notice I emphasized that I didn't expect monetary contributions at all in the form of funding because many are of little financial means (and I'm blessed by comparison) -- but asked for contributions in the form of posting within the forum guidelines. ANYTHING within the forum guidelines. Those who have been there and are willing to speak truthfully will attest that many posts by Jan H., Norm and Kent were highly controversial.

    In fact, Susie, you know what bears witness to my truthfulness in stating that people got away with proverbial "murder" on H2O, even more so than on Simon's board today, without getting deleted?

    JOSEPH MALIK and RADO VLEGUEL (darned, I can never spell the second named brother's name!), who both archived on several CD-ROM discs over 320,000 postings!

    Can you fathom that many postings, Susie, on several CD's? That's over 600,000 bytes per CD. My point is that you can quickly SEARCH on most computers those CD's for Jan H. Norm or Kent (and variants like "JH", "NH" and "KS" etc.), and see the literally HUNDREDS OF MEGABYTES of their postings over almost 5 years! Now whose funds lead to the creation a library authored by these three alone (and I've just scratched the surface -- search for many other regulars here on that CD-ROM set), that is the equivalent to 10 32-volume Encyclopedia Brittanica sets? Why, little old Rick.

    Sound like someone into censorship?

    I would dearly love it, if somehow in the "twighlight zone" or some parallel world, we could be in this court where everyone here who has accused me of censorship, is confronted by my attorney holding a set of CD-ROM discs in his hands. In front of the Judge, he starts searching for each regular who is here now, tallying up the megabytes of their postings and printing them out. The courtroom would not have room to seat anyone by the time the last printout came out of the printer, if it were possible to wait that long! How do I know? I played with the figures one day by grep'ing the directories based on known regulars like Jan H., to see how VAST a library they had written.

    I don't regret it. Some JWs have likened me to the well intentioned but infamous Oppenheimer who created the first atom bomb, would you believe! (LOL!) The gist of what they were saying, is that I gave Jan H., Norm, Kent, Tallyman, Farkel and others a platform to air their "apostate" views that resulted in a permanent electronic "library" of their writings that could "stumble" JWs for years and years to come. This is like the JW version of the atom bomb or should we call it "apostate bomb." ;-)

    (In anticipation of the blind rage to likely follow, I cannot state enough times that I don't take any credit for what they posted, or even claim to have stimulated all those posts! It could have been any forum. What I'm saying is that if I were into censorship, and I had the power to stop all these posts from happening, then why didn't I delete them. THEIR POSTS ARE ESCONSED FOR 'ETERNITY', SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE (A) I LET THEM POST, AND (B) THEY ARE ARCHIVED ON CD!)

    Now, in light of the fact this archive exists (and I have copies of the first 57 H2O libraries on my huge hard drive, quickly searchable), can anyone still say "Rick" and "censorship" in the same breath? I dare anyone to.

    My experience has been no different from yours in its basics, and I expect no "fame" or "fortune" and would be a fool to even go for it in this venue. I did this out of love, and that is the only reason.

    Anyone without even a faint feeling of "conscience" can claim I'm into censorship knowing the CD-ROM archives of H2O containing gigabytes of postings by the "regulars" here today, exists for anyone like you to see. (I'm sure someone here can direct you to Joseph Malik who can direct you to a web site where these archives exist, so you can see for yourself how true are my words.)

    I funded those gigabytes of writing, and I could have removed posts from the archives to only reflect discussions on reform, but I left each and every post! All 320,000 of them! Does anyone dare to do the math on the drive space required for 320,000 individual files on a file server? I could have run a script to delete files by Farkel, Jan H., Norm, Kent, etc., if I had an "agenda." But I made them available for years as they piled up on the server, and they were spidered to every search engine there is. You would see a post by Kent on H2O pop up on search engines when searching for certain JW subject keywords, for many years in the late 1990's to early 2001.

    I have no regrets. I take no credit. I made nothing. I gave everything in my time and funds. Should I put on sackcloth and grovel now? What a lovely vision that would be. I put on sackcloth, grovel, plead for forgiveness, only to look up and see angry Tina staring down at me. That would be the last thing I see, assuredly, as she stomps on my face with a high-heel. No, sackcloth ain't for me.

    No groveling for me, Susie, I'm a sinner like the rest of humankind and no "saint." My baptism might have declared my love for God and Christ but it didn't inject inhuman humility in me to the point of groveling (which I'm sure you didn't literally mean). No teary-eyed pleads for forgiveness to those incapable of forgiveness.

    You're more of a "saint" than I, based on your post, not expecting anyone to appreciate your efforts! Admittedly, that was my one weaknesses, and it made me feel sad to think all my efforts might have resulted in merely entertaining people like Tina and Farkel for a while. Until they grew tired. And they have long since. Now they consider H2O as a place that can similarly help no others. The kids have moved from one "arcade" in cyberspace to a bigger one.

    Shall I bow out gracefully like Obed? Keep in mind that Witnesses.net was not a place for the kind of discussions now archived for H2O over the years. Would Witnesses.net survived if Jan H. had posted over a hundred megabytes of anti-Watchtower information and reasoning against everything JWs believe? Would Obed have left Jan H.'s writings on the server to pile up for 5 years, then encourage others like Joseph Malik to esconse these postings in archives so future generations of JWs might find them and be "stumbled"? I doubt it.

    (Now, on que, it's time for Farkel to chide in again, as has frequently in the past, that I can take no credit for his years of contributions - duhhh? like I ever have; and that I lack appreciation for one of those who made H2O what it is today - no comment; and that I single-handedly turned H2O into a ghost town - totally untrue if anyone wishes to review the posts still on Coolboard.com until the 29th and the CD archives back to August 1996; and etc. The truth is there for those who care about the truth.)

    Rick

  • ticatoo
    ticatoo

    Derrick,

    I haven't been able to get H2O for weeks....haven't seen the link. However I will try it again from the link you provided.

    BUT.........I would love to see the WTB&TS fall.....not reformed.

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    WOW an 'apostate bomb' lol .. it was worth wading through your post for that gem .. thanks.

  • Roamingfeline
    Roamingfeline
    Now, in light of the fact this archive exists (and I have copies of the first 57 H2O libraries on my huge hard drive, quickly searchable), can anyone still say "Rick" and "censorship" in the same breath? I dare anyone to.

    Rcat takes a deep breath... "Rick=Censorship". There... ahhhhhh.. the relief.... almost like having a bm..

    Gee, that was fun. Anyone else want to have a 'go'?

    RCat

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce
    can anyone still say "Rick" and "censorship" in the same breath? I dare anyone to.

    Hush now folks ... watch carefully .. nothing up my sleeves ... unc takes big black bible, tears ten or so pages out, holds it up for all to see and declares: "Abracadabra - Rick doesn't believe in F%@$#*& censorship!"

    PS: You need a holiday Rick (along with Kent, Farkel and a few other old watchtower fighters .. you're all wellcome here at unclebruces apostate retreat and ego massaging centre) .. at least change the record .. it's cracked

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