I need your help

by Veritas 68 Replies latest social relationships

  • Veritas
    Veritas

    calamityjane

    Thank you for pointing out how I am not special at all. HAHA. But seriously I thank you for all your advice. It's just some situations that make me more critical than I'd usually be. The thing that makes me doubt that a little bit is that years ago before I met her she was with another quote unquote non-believer. She loved him then, and I found out from our best friend that her family never accepted him or ever treated him anywhere near a good as they treat me. She loved him and that was obvious to them yet they still didn't treat him well at all. So it makes me a bit skeptical about what you have said but I do think you could be right. The guy hurt her in the end and left her for another girl even after he made her believe that he loved her though .That pissed me off when I found out, but it gave me a chance to be with her. Anyway, thanks.

  • Undaunted Danny
    Undaunted Danny

    Repost: LOVE BOMBING Bomb

    HOW DO CULTS SEDUCE THEIR PREY ?

    "" ......A tactic used most often is the "LOVE BOMBING"...They swarm over you in a sort of ,"COCOONMENT".

    All of a sudden,,you have,,INSTANT FAMILY,,INSTANT PURPOSE,,INSTANT COMMUNITY,,INSTANT FRIENDS.....And you don't have to look inside yourself for answers anymore,,.. because cult leaders, or their designated high disciples,,dispense all your spiritual needs..

    ....A mass delusion,,mass hysteria,,operating under the illusion of a master plan...In military jargon this is known as ,"Cluster F**k"...

    Beware of Love Bombing.... Leonard Brenner Love-bombing is characteristic of most cults. Prospects, recruits and members are drowned in a sea of love and caring. Recently in an evangelical church I heard the pastor describe his visit to two cultic groups in which he praised their love-bombing and urged that his church adopt the same loving attitude towards visitors and members.

    Should the evangelical church practice love-bombing? Is this what Christ meant when he said, "By this will all men know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another," (John 13:35)? I've heard cult members say, "Of course we practice love-bombing: Who'd want to be in a group or church that practiced hate-bombing?" This attitude highlights a common misconception. >>>Hate-bombing is not the opposite of love-bombing.<<< The opposite of love-bombing is unconditional love. Love-bombing is highly conditional. The cults will love you to death while you represent a prospective convert to their group.

    As a member a tight family love will surround you as you faithfully promote their cause. However, when it is clear that a prospect will not join the group or a member voices doubts, create waves, or leaves the group, all love ceases. Indeed scorn is immediately heaped on these individuals and remaining members are told not to have any contact with them. All time, effort and love-bombing is then directed towards new prospects and the faithful members. Is this the love evangelical churches should practice? Unconditional love is what God practiced when he sent his Son to die for us..... I Love You Mug 2

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat
    Than years later(now) she is all I have and all I live for.
    She is all I have.
    We'd be together and she would know that I will always make her happy.

    I TRULY don't mean to be mean...but comments like this REALLY concern me. First of all, if she is ALL you have to live for...you need counseling. This is co-dependency personified. A healthy husband needs much more than a wife to live for. If I were the only thing my husband had, I'd feel leeched on. Regarding the last comment I've highlighted - YOU are not in control of her happiness. She is. And one day after you're married, she will realize she's not happy with someone who really in his heart doesn't believe what she believes. SHE will feel cheated and then you will too. A miserable divorce and more loss would be fairly realistic after that.

    So I guess I must be pretty special for them to want me as a convert and not any of my other friends other than the one specified.

    The only reason they want YOU to convert is because YOU are the one interested in their daughter. Of course, they don't give a rip about your friends. They aren't the ones wanting to marry their little girl.

    Just a few thoughts to stir the pot...

    Andi

  • exjdub
    exjdub
    I guess I just figured I could keep a charade going where they would believe in me as a JW but where I would only be attending things for her.

    Veritas,

    Keep in mind that it is very difficult to keep a charade going particularly when the charade involves such an investment of time. Between meetings, field service, association, etc. there is an investment of at least 10-20 hours a week. It will eventually come to the point where you will cave in under the pressure and will join, or you will resent the intrusion on your life. When you begin to resent the intrusion you will add an unimaginable burden to your relationship/marriage. My wife and I have been married for 23 years. We married when we were in the JW's and we left the organization together about 7-8 years ago. I do not believe our marriage would have survived if one or the other had decided to stay with the JW's. The gap between the two lifestyles is too great. Also, there is a tremendous amount of undermining that occurs from the Organization. If you begin to miss meetings, or if you decide to fade away, be prepared to have the JW's undermine your relationship.

    One more thing. Although you mentioned that she is fine with you going to the meetings "for her", what happens if that changes for her and she decides that it doesn't work ? People grow and change and their needs change along with the growth. She may accept you going for her for now, but trust me when I tell you that this can change very easily. Things very rarely remain the same in any relationship and if she decides she needs more from you as her "spiritual head " tm then you will be expected to shoulder that responsibility. (Just some things to think about)

    exjdub

  • Veritas
    Veritas

    Satanus

    I enjoyed reading your reply. I think you missed out on my earlier post where I mentioned that I am an Athiest. So I basically would only feign interest so that her congregation would accept me as a believer. I refuse to belive in some god that doesn't exist. I would pretend to though. And for her I would make them all belive that I too shared the same beliefs. Oh and also I have seen a psychiatrist. They told me that the depression/rage is causing my insomnia. Most of that has gone away since I've been with her. Before that I was a very disillusioned person. A lost soul, an empty vessel. A lifeless shell etc, etc, etc... Thanks for your thoughts.

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Veratis,

    I have the solution. Just run away with her. Get married in Vegas, pop out some babies in California and live the American dream.

  • exjdub
    exjdub

    Veratis,

    I have the solution. Just run away with her. Get married in Vegas, pop out some babies in California and live the American dream.

  • Veritas
    Veritas

    ok.ok.ok.

    First let me re-phrase my previous statement. She is not all I have but she is everything to me. She is a great part of my life and she means a great deal to me but I have more in my life such as my love for playing guitar.

    ok. Next. exjdub. You say I would cave after putting so much time into the charade. You don't really know me personally. I don't mean to be rude or anything, but if you knew me you'd know I wouldn't cave. Especially being the Athiest that I am. I would never give in to their brainwashing. I would only feign interest enough to get them off of my back for being a "non-believer". I may seem somewhat mentally unstable to some of you but that may be so. It also gives me more willpower to fight for my own beliefs.

  • Satanus
    Satanus
    I enjoyed reading your reply.

    I'm glad.

    I think you missed out on my earlier post where I mentioned that I am an Athiest.

    No. Actually, what i said was in response to your being an atheist.

    I have seen a psychiatrist. They told me that the depression/rage is causing my insomnia. Most of that has gone away since I've been with her.

    But, the problem has not gone away. It is still there, below the hormones and chemicals that the situation you have found is causing your body to produce. It will resurface when the excitment wears off. Or, the depression/rage will come out in wierd ways, which i will not name right now. Please talk to your psychiatrist again.

    SS

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu
    the love of my life would read something considered innapropriate if I asked her

    Wanna put your money where your mouth is? Show her the following websites:

    http://www.freeminds.org
    http://www.silentlambs.org

    Then watch her start to either get edgy, tell you to turn it off, or tell you it's all bullshit.

    I didn't originally give you much advice, because I've been repeating myself for the past few weeks. You're one of the many others who have come on here and has stated your difficulties with dating a JW.

    First of all, let me tell you that love does NOT conquer all. Love is just a combination of emotions, actions, and reactions. That's all. It's not something special, it's just a certain way people show and respond to emotions. Love doesn't have any power, it's not strong or weak, and it's not going to conquer the WTS who has taken the "love" out of it's members.

    I'm also going to tell you a story about a girl I once dated, or at least tried to date. She gave me her phone number, and told me to call and set up a date. I called her, but her mom wouldn't let her out of the house. I'd call occasionally to see if we could hook up outside of school, but apparently I was calling too much (once every two weeks). Her dad finally answered and invited me over to kick my ass. I thought "My love for her is stronger than anything!" A month later, I got into a car accident. I called her place and wanted to tell her what had happened. Her mother answered and again wouldn't let me talk to her. I told her what had happened, and she just said, "Well, I'll tell her". I didn't get a phone call from her, nothing. It was turning out to be too much trouble. I forgot about her and moved on. I dated a girl who's father was happy to have me dating his daughter. The headaches were gone.

    Moral of the story? Don't put yourself through hell trying to gain happiness from another human being. It will come naturally.

    You don't really know me personally. I don't mean to be rude or anything, but if you knew me you'd know I wouldn't cave.

    Hey! It's Stacy Smith!! LOL! Humans may all be different, but they all have their natural desires, actions, and reactions. If someone came up to you, punched you in the head, and called you an ugly piece of horse shit, would you be happy? I'd be pissed right off, as I'm sure many others here would be. But you're different, so you're gonna be happy that someone's abusing you, right?

    Here's another natural human desire: We want what we can't have. The fact that getting this person to become your girlfriend is difficult is making you work harder for it. It's natural for humans to do this. But there's always a price to pay: time and frustration. If you're a sucker for wasting time and being frustrated, then keep persuing.

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