Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati... (page 6)

This is not Charlse T Russell saying that he is a Free Mason, but this is Charlse T Russell doing his impression of Paul speaking to the greeks at the areopogus. The following citing from the WT magazine pretty much sums up what Russell was doing when speaking that sermon. Notice Russell says, "That is their style of putting it". He was not really including himself as an actual Mason, but as someone that thinks along similar lines.

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w00 10/15 p. 9 Should You Investigate Other Religions? ***
Paul took note of what others believed. He once began a discourse by saying: "Men of Athens, I behold that in all things you seem to be more given to the fear of the deities than others are. For instance, while passing along and carefully observing your objects of veneration I also found an altar on which had been inscribed ?To an Unknown God.?" (Acts 17:22, 23) Paul, however, did not regularly feed his mind on the philosophies of Greek orators.

Russell rented the hall in which he gave that sermon from the Masons. He was successful in selling a butt-load of Studies In The Scriptures to the Masons and had a vested interest in sucking up to those Masons who might have been attending that meeting. Just as Paul used the alter to an unknown god to introduce his message to the greeks, Russell used the principles of Masonry or Masonry-speak to get the Masons to warm up to his message and buy more crap. "All things to all people", you know?

Corvin

sf

"Now I ___" what? The words that follow this are not visible.

Why is this part blacked out and/ or not included in this proposed document?

What was the completed sentence we do not see?

sKally

TD

Hi sKally,

Dolphman gave a link to a website were the convention report article can be read in its entirety.

Russell's long winded, turn of the century speaking style doesn't lend itself to brief excerpts.

Corvin

Why is this part blacked out and/ or not included in this proposed document?

Yes, these are merely excerpts from the typed manuscript of the sermon Russell gave in a Mason-owned hall. The poster of these excerpts is using just the portions that seem to prove Russell was a Mason.

Corvin

sf

I see. Yet I'd still be interested to know what the words are that we do not see in the paragraph that is not completed ("Now I___...").

Thx for the reply.

sKally

sf

Thx again guys. I'll take a look.

sKally

dolphman

---Since Russell knew about Freemasonry, he therefore must certainly have been one. By that argument, I would be one of Jehovah?s Witnesses! (Geez what an epithet)

Well, I wouldn't think that, unless you continued to use JW buzzwords, plastered JW artwork and icons all over your publications, and had a big fat Watchtower built on top of your gravestone. Then maybe, just maybe, I would think you were somewhat affiliated with them :-)

I have changed my opinion as to whether or not Russell was a freemason. I agree there is no nail in the coffin proof that he was a freemason. But there is PLENTY of evidence to suggest he was, was lying to hide his membership, or at the very least was affiliated and influenced by them to a serious degree.

Tell you what, add up the sheer amount of evidence that says he was affiliated with freemasons and compare it to the total amount of evidence the says he wasn't. If you weigh them out on scales, I think it invariably tilts in favor of him being one, or at least associated to a serious degree.

Since this is an argument neither of us can win, then feel free to form your own opinion on it and we'll let it go. But again, the strength of my argument lies in the sheer amount of evidence suggesting serious involvement and association with freemasonry, as opposed to the evidence suggesting otherwise. If you can't see it for yourself, then there isn't much I can do to help you see it. It's open to interreptation. But honestly, to suggest he had NOTHING to do with it is RIDICULOUS, and whether or not I was claiming he was absolutely a card carrying member is crying over spilt milk. Compared to an argument he was not associated and influenced by freemasonry, well, it's obvious that's simply an impossibility.

I believe if the argument was he WAS NOT EVER a freemason, you would have a much harder time proving that beyond a reasonable doubt.

TD

Hi Dolphman,

I think we each understand where the other is coming from. Ultimately, my advice for those researching this issue is simply cautionary. Masonry has borrowed heavily from Christianity, which muddies the waters considerably. Take the cross & crown for example. While there is no doubt that it is a Masonic symbol, it can also be found in the artwork of most Christian religions, even on the internet:

Tom

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Baptist:

http://www.crossandcrownbaptist.com/

http://www.firstbaptistkingsport.org/a__windows/story_of_the_stained_glass_windo.htm

http://www.fairwindsbaptist.com/Ministries/Outreach.htm

Lutheran:

http://www.cross-n-crown.org/Index%202.htm

http://villa.lakes.com/lutheran/lc.html

http://www.ctkvestal.org/messages/christtheking.htm

Catholic:

www.daughtersofisabella.org/