Chilling experience

by TallTexan 84 Replies latest jw experiences

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  Balsam

  Everyone is a skeptic until they have a personal experience with someone who has passed. That is what changes peoples minds. As JW's we were told that only demons appear to people pretending to be lost loved ones. Funny that the bible does not support such a notion. That is no where in the bible at all. That is a notion made up by the WTS to keep people fearful. Fear is the greatest enemy of a open and reasoning mind.

  TallTexan,

  Your experience was special a gift to you. To know that the pain is gone and is not carried on after death, and that people consciousness continues right on through the body is dead. What a comfort that can be for dying people, instead of being afraid of death.

  Balsam
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  Sentinel

  What a lovely encounter. Something enormously special and unusual happened to you and I would never question the validity. I am not a gullible person. I've had my own experiences along the way. I think it was kind of you to share your experience with the forum. Soul's do connect, and obviously the soul of the small child, leaving her human shell was an awesome new reality. She wanted you to "catch a glimpse--to understand that in death, there is another door to go through". Death is not the end. Death ends pain. You were kind to her and she gave you a gift. The gift was that you now have had your own experience with something that humans find difficult to accept because of the way we have been taught through the years. We have been taught to label and fear those things we don't understand. We were taught to deny what our own eyes have seen. Now you have seen for yourself and therefore you cannot deny.

  It didn't give me goose bumps or chills or anything at all, except a great feeling of peace and love coming from her to you. Has anything else unusual happened in your life since this occuredt? This may be a marked event of great change in your life.

  /<
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  rem

  Well, at least now we know she isn't in hell. :)
  
  Oh, yeah, and I agree with Six. Auditory and visual hallucinations are not an indicator of a person losing his mind. It's natural - the mind plays tricks on us all of the time. Some tricks are just more elaborate than others. It's happened to me too.
  
  One thing I find funny is people who *claim* to be skeptical, but then as soon as something happens to themselves they become the most credulous people you could ever meet. Maybe that's a selective skeptic?
  
  Sad story about the family.
  
  rem
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  LittleToe

  Welcome back REM. I've missed ya, where have you been?
  
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  TallTexan

  Ah well, if the witnesses experience taught me nothing else, it taught me not to be shocked at the arrogance of the common man (

  Hmmm. Me too. What the witness experience taught me is that it's very easy to look down on someone or their beliefs simply because you do not share them. When someone has other beliefs it's easy to classify them as "mentally diseased, demon possessed, haughty" (as the Society has said of the 'apostates'). As Ray Franz says in "Christian Freedom", it's much easier to personally attack those that you disagree with then it is to logically seek to understand their viewpoints and possibly open yourself up to the possibility that things are not as we think they are. Funny that you call me 'arrogant' when you are the one so adamantly insisting that these types of things cannot be so. I have never insisted on any beliefs or certainties as a result of my experience, only that it has been very thought provoking considering my background as a 'born and raised JW'. You seem to think that by relating this experience that I'm suddenly insisting that 'ghosts and goblins are real' when I've done anything but that. Again, you have the right to your own opinion, but you DO NOT have the right to personal criticizism upon anyone in these forums. If you want to disagree with a certain belief or thought process, that's cool, but leave your own 'guesswork' as to other's integrity or state of mind out ot if. Oh wait - I guess YOU do know everything and YOU are closed-minded. Hmmm...are you SURE you've left the JW's???
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  sleepy

  I'm of the opinion that people who related extraordinary stories should expect people to be sceptical. In fact people ought to be sceptical, otherwise we who believe anything anyone told us. Since you are likely to be telling the story to people who don?t know you, that adds further latitude for scepticism on our part. The is no scientific evidence of a detached consciousness or a spirit realm. Scientific analysis does confirm that our brain can and does cause us to see images and hear sound or touch that are created by or brain and are not the result of stimulus from the outside world. In fact all of our sense are created in the brain and in every day life are set off by or bodies receiving stimulus. A bitter taste is not contained in foods but rather food contains chemicals that set off taste buds on or tongue that send a message to our brain to create a bitter taste. If anyone can truly rule out the probability that the brain caused us to experience something unusual, they may have a case for arguing for spirit and such things, as it is not properly scientific tests have ever brought positive results when used to test for paranormal events.
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  LittleToe

  TT:It's worth noting here that Mark often says things with a twinkle in his eye
  If you ever get to meet him (and I suspect you will, given the frequency of Fests, and sharing a State, 'n' all) I can assure you that you'll love him.
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  roybatty

  I'm not one to believe in ghost or spirits. If I can't see it or touch it or confirm it's there, I tend not to believe in it. However, there is one expereince that makes me wonder. My father was killed a year ago in a automobile accident. No good-byes, nothing. Just a phone call from the police saying that there has been an accident. Anyway, a week or so after the accident I was in bed sleeping. I'm a sound sleeper. A bomb can go off and it wouldn't wake me up. Anyway, in the middle ofthe night something woke me up, like I could "feel" someone in my bedroom. I sat up in bed and looked around the room. All of a sudden I saw my father standing at the foot of my bed, looking at me and smiling. He didn't say anything, just looked at me and seemed to mouth something. Then he simply turned around, walked away and disappeared.

  Now, I've chalked it up to either dreaming or that the stress of loosing a loved one causes you to see things but a part of me just wonders......
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  frenchbabyface

  Yeah Welcome back REM !

  I think that we need to be skeptical ... only skeptisisme can give you the motive to check if needed to not get into weird stuff ...

  There are things I can't deny, there are things I doubt about, there are things I can feel (about "num" for instance) but I don't have the keys the answers.
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  TallTexan

  One thing I find funny is people who *claim* to be skeptical, but then as soon as something happens to themselves they become the most credulous people you could ever meet. Maybe that's a selective skeptic?

  Why is that odd? It's like the old saying "I found my keys the last place I looked for them"...well, of course. Why else would you keep looking for them once you found them? If one is skeptical of something, then has an experience (or finds information, etc) that proves otherwise, or at least makes them think about things differently, what's odd about that? I call that being a reasonable, rational individual who knows that as humans we are fallible and don't know everything and must be open to the fact that at some point information may come along to disprove a certain theory we hold to be true. Isn't that why many of us are now out of the WTS?