Follow the Star All the Way to Bethlehem (page 10)

Schizm

Where does it say in scripture the star was put there by God? Most Churches say that God was the source of the star, but the context surrounding the account suggests that is false. If the star hadn't appeared, the Magi would not have went to Jerusalem and come into contact with jealous King Herod. As a result of the star appearing there was an attempt made on Jesus' life.
Simple, huh?

But wasn't that the purpose of Christ-- to come to earth to die? To be a sacrifice for our sins? To die so that we could be released from the clutches of Satan?

To die as a ransom, yes, but not as a mere boy (which has already been discussed). "So that we could be released from the clutches of Satan"? That's something that YOU have added, although he will be done away with eventually.

I agree, the answer is quite simple: If, by dying, Jesus would have loosened Satan's dominion over us, Satan would have done everything in his power to keep Christ from getting killed.

There's much more to it than what you've imagined. God's plan involves not only the one who will be the cheif ruler in the kingdom of a thousand years, namely Jesus, but all those who make up the 144,000 that will rule beside him. Satan's problem is to somehow prevent the 144,000 from being chosen. If he can do that then he will have successfully thwarted God's plan. Having failed to do that, according to prophecy, he will then do the only thing left remaining for him to do: "And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus.--Revelation 12:17.

Why dont you wipe that snot off your nose and pull that stick out of your butt?
And last but not least, stop being a whiney bastard.

Where are you now, Sirona?

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Robdar

To die as a ransom, yes, but not as a mere boy (which has already been discussed). "So that we could be released from the clutches of Satan"? That's something that YOU have added, although he will be done away with eventually.

Really? What does it matter at what age he died? Why did he have to be a grown man? He was born perfect wasn't he? All that was required was a perfect human sacrifice. Where in the Bible does it say that he had to be a grown man of 33?

There's much more to it than what you've imagined. God's plan involves not only the one who will be the cheif ruler in the kingdom of a thousand years, namely Jesus, but all those who make up the 144,000 that will rule beside him. Satan's problem is to somehow prevent the 144,000 from being chosen. If he can do that then he will have successfully thwarted God's plan. Having failed to do that, according to prophecy, he will then do the only thing left remaining for him to do: "And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus.--Revelation 12:17.

Oh please, stop. You are making me laugh. You are complicating it way too much. As stated before, it was all a divine plan. It worked out exactly the way it was supposed to-- exactly when it was supposed to. And guess what? It will continue to do so. You don't give God much credit do you?

Robyn

Schizm

Really? What does it matter at what age he died?

Well it must HAVE mattered, because God intervened to prevent Herod from killing him when he was a child for some reason.

Oh please, stop.

Beg me and I might consider it.

You don't give God much credit do you?

And how is that so?

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Robdar

Well it must HAVE mattered, because God intervened to prevent Herod from killing him when he was a child for some reason.

Then why did you complain earlier about the threat to baby Jesus' life? Can't have it both ways, yanno.

Beg me and I might consider it.

Heheheh. I like a good smart ass remark. But you'll be waiting a long time before you hear me beg.

And how is that so?

Re-read your earlier comments. However, your last post imlies that you do believe that Christ's birth and death were by divine plan. If so, stop worrying about it. I am merely suggesting that you rest assured that it will all turn out okay. We do agree on that, don't we?

Robs

Peppermint

Where did the Bethlehem star come from?

Well as far as that one goes, I may have some important information for you.

http://www.rael.org/

Seriously these guys believe the star was a flying saucer. Check out some of their videos on the Real-TV link on their site. The first one ?The Prophets & Ancient Evidence? makes some interesting statements.

Barking mad! But interesting.

Jez

I use to take the bible so literally. I realize the blind ignorance in that now.

Like every other story/account in the bible, the story of the star is nothing more than a glimpse of events. Nothing in the bible is the full, accurate account. There is no absolute 'truth' because the writers perception and bias of accounts, their inability to remember or know EVERYTHING, and their inevidable mistake of leaving out seemingly unimportant facts about the event.

These stories in the bible are tiny little glimpses of an ancient people's way of life, thinking, and belief systems.

I take everything now by looking at the bigger picture, not nitpicking apart every story and molding it until it matches MY beliefs.

These stories mean different things to different people. And that is ok.

The star put there by Satan? Maybe, maybe not, maybe you are missing parts of the story that were not written down, maybe it was not even a star, but a coincidental comet passing over and they INTERPRETED it in the manner that they wanted due to their superstisious, lack of scientific understanding and need to explain strange phenomenoms. They may have thought it was not important to write down certain facts at that time, but it would have been relevent to our modern minds.

How can you take what they wrote so literally and try to mold it when it was already molded the second it went from mind to paper?

Jez

Schizm

Rob,

Well it must HAVE mattered, because God intervened to prevent Herod from killing him when he was a child for some reason.
Then why did you complain earlier about the threat to baby Jesus' life? Can't have it both ways, yanno.

Satan apparently wanted to snuff out Jesus' life before he had a chance to grow up. Why? I think you probably know the answer to that.

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Schizm

Rob,

Then why did you complain earlier about the threat to baby Jesus' life? Can't have it both ways, yanno.

Explain to me how that I was trying to "have it both ways".

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Satanus

So, tell me, why would not jesus' childhood death provide a ransom? Was he not perfect?

S

Satanus

Whats happen, schizzy? Special pioneering again? You can count your time here, you know.

S

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