Incense ... don't kid yourself. Some of the finest families have turned out the worst. No guarantees in this department ... all we can do is hope for the best.
sf ... you make some terrific points! Well said!
Urgent! Need help - I told my parents.
by filip 311 Replies latest jw friends
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Incense_and_Peppermints
This kids father could very easily cry foul here and think that any one of you could be causing dissention and alienation
hmm..it seems to me the only "dissention and alienation" was already caused - by Filip's f-a-t-h-e-r!
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Incense_and_Peppermints
Incense ... don't kid yourself. Some of the finest families have turned out the worst. No guarantees in this department ... all we can do is hope for the best.
unlike you, i don't kid myself . i see the world with eyes wide open, and taught my son the skills to survive in it, as well as how to be a compassionate, thoughtful citizen of the world. p.s. you don't want to get personal....do you?
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Big Tex
So you think the subject of phone-sex is appropriate for a 15 year old?
Nope I didn't say that. Like many Jehovah's Witnesses, you read and then comment on only that what fits your agenda. Here is what I actually posted:
I see no problem with Filip posting here.
Subtle but important difference don't you think?
Do you think (if there was such a thing at the time) that Jesus would condone it? (even for adults).
Again, if you want to debate such topics please start your own thread. Filip started this one, please respect him enough to avoid hijacking.
Chris
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sf
I and P,
Please, if your teenager, which most teenagers have problems with their parents parenting, were talking to complete strangers, you would oppose such. I didn't say he should not seek out counseling regarding how he views his parents and their parenting (skills) and how he can voice those views.
I'm talking about complete strangers. Predators pay very close attention to kids like this one here and will prey on everything the CHILD says as to gain some sort of ground to become his friend.
I take it from your reply that you do in fact have a teenage child. What would you actually do if you knew your child was approaching complete strangers? How would you handle it? Would you encourage more of that, or would you encourage them to seek help from a counselor, teacher, doctor or help-line?
sKally
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kaykay_mp
Again, if you want to debate such topics please start your own thread. Filip started this one, please respect him enough to avoid hijacking.
Yep, I guess it's settled then.
You the Mod! You the Mod!
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kaykay_mp
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Incense_and_Peppermints
sf, i believe i answered your "simple question" with a "simple answer":
What if it were your teenager logging into, what is in fact, a mostly adult forum and discussing YOUR parenting of said teen with complete strangers? What if said teen was going around your town, talking to complete strangers regarding your family dynamics?
the first thing i would do is ask myself what am i doing wrong that my son felt he couldn't come to me with his problems... but then again, i didn't raise my son in a milieu of oppression, fear and distrust. i can hardly call the advice and honest answers to Fillip's questions "predatory". so what should we as ex-witnesses, do, then, when someone, any one, comes seeking answers? tell them to go away because they are too young?
so, you don't think we should be answering Filip's earnest questions because he's underage? (trying to understand your point)
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filip
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Valis
Predators pay very close attention to kids like this one here and will prey on everything the CHILD says as to gain some sort of ground to become his friend.
Certainly, however offering advice on a discussion board is different than a kid going up to a complete stranger say on the street. Even if he went to a counselor, or friends, or someone at school that is no guarantee they would have anything is going on but "teenage angst", which I'm sure there is some, but it just isn't the same IMO for JW teens. Teenagers are not stupid either. They use the Internet for all kinds of things, some of which are a lot naughtier than this discussion board could ever be. I think too, some people have a hard time getting over the concept of children talking about their life and their parents "behind their back". PLEASE! Go look at this website and you tell me..
At least if Filip speaks to us he isn't talking to a brick wall. I was the young thrasher boy who got reprimanded for skating in the KH parking lot. I know, I've walked a mile in your Vans...
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
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AlanF
AFIN said:
: Be glad you aren't my son, if I found out you were doing this behind my back. You think you have troubles now!
When I was a young JW in my early 20s back in the early 1970s, an extremely harsh elder named Caesar Smith, who was a good friend of my family, said something similar to me when he saw me exercising a bit of individuality and independence. Now, I was raised a JW, but not in a harsh, thou-shalt-toe-the-line environment. Caesar, on the other hand, acted like one of his namesakes (Caligula comes to mind) toward his three sons, who were from a year to six years younger than me. Caesar was the archetype of the control freak. Over the years, the two older boys were reproved for doing drugs, whereas my brother and I were squeaky clean. The oldest son got married at about age 19, got his wife pregnant, and within six months left his wife and his cult. No one knew where he was, but it turned out he had been living on the streets in New York City. After a couple of years he came back, but was gone again in a few months. He lived for some years as a "bag man" in New York, and died in the early 1990s at about age 40. The middle son became involved in the New York homosexual community and died of AIDs around 1985. The youngest son was psychologically a complete mess his entire life, and last I heard of him ten years ago, was on welfare. Caesar had a stroke in the mid-1980s and, about 1990, died a broken man. His wife lived on until about 1995, and also died broken-hearted. On the other hand, my brother and I always lived by our own principles, and quit the JW cult in the mid-1980s. Today we're quite happy with non-JW wives, although we ended up divorced from our nasty, braindead JW wives. Life is very good away from the JW cult.
What does that tell you about your cultish mindset, AFIN?
AlanF