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  Narkissos

  Delta,

  The bible clearly states that blood is holy.

  Fat too (Leviticus 3:17).

  And you can perfectly defend the case of a bloodtransfusion, you see, if, as you say, we are not allowed to eat blood, and when we eat blood most of it stays out of our system (digestion system), isn't it then a much larger decision to pour blood directly into yours? If you dont think so then we ahave a disagreement here, but that doesn't mean that what I am saying isn't based on the bible.

  Interestingly, a few years ago JWs used that very line of argument to reject organ transplants, as they were deemed as equivalent to cannibalism. Now they accept organ transplants. What does that tell you about the line of reasoning?
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  TD

  Delta,

  In regard to akal, I believe you have fallen into the "translate with a dictionary" rut. I'm not sure, but you seem to be alluding to the verb stem itself and not the inflected form as it appears. Not only do usage and context greatly restrict the general definition of any given word, but translations done by those closer to ancient Hebrew than we are today (e.g. The Septuagint) also have a bearing on what is considered a legitimate equivalency by translation committees today. I am not aware of any translator or translation that supports your assertion up to and including the NWT and the JW religion itself.

  In regard to Judaism in general, ceremonial contact with blood did not automatically confer uncleaness. At times the effect was quite the opposite. Under the Law, not only did priests regularly dipped their fingers in sacrificial blood, it was even smeared upon their right earlobe, right thumb and right big toe at the same time it was sprinkled upon the altar.

  What perplexes me most though is the assertion that pikuach nefesh is hypocritical. It strikes as very odd for any type of Christian.

  Rather than committing the fallacy of dicto simplicitor Judaism recognizes that time and circumstance may create conflicts between different aspect of the Law. If an occupied building collapses on the Sabbath, for example is God's requirement to keep the Sabbath contravened by God's requirement to preserve life? If all manner of work was forbidden on the Sabbath, how should a Jewish physician or midwife respond to an emergency?

  Judaism recognized that the requirement to preserve life trumps all other considerations of the Law except murder, idolatry and incest.

  Generally, Christianity is also willing to err on the side of mercy. Remember the nature of Jesus' disagreement with the Pharisees at Mark 3:1. Although this was a very long time before RAMBAM, the priciples of pikuach nefesh were still understood. A withered hand was not considered life threatening and therefore did not make the Sabbath hutra.

  In other words, waiting one more day to be healed would not have endangered this man's life. This of course, was unacceptable to Jesus because it elevated saving the life of an animal, which was permitted on the Sabbath over and above healing the affliction of a man. Jesus succinctly pointed out that when Sabbatical prohibitions become detrimental to man's welfare, they are contrary to the very purpose of the Sabbath, which was inherently beneficial.

  I believe you have a similar situation with blood. Unlike idolatry, or murder or any other examples I think you could name where Christians would be willing to lay down their lives rather than commit, human blood exists and was created for a beneficial purpose

  In other words, Man is not simply a receptacle for this fluid to reside "pure and inviolate." Man is the direct beneficiary of blood's design purpose and consequently when blood prohibitions become detrimental to the welfare of man, the become contrary to that purpose.

  More to the original point of this thread Jehovah's Witnesses recognize much of what I have stated in all other medical scenarioes (e.g. Other forms of tissue transplant even including bone marrow) and in this they are engaging in hypocrisy of the worst kind.
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  TD

  Delta,

  In regard to a comment to another poster:

  And you can perfectly defend the case of a bloodtransfusion, you see, if, as you say, we are not allowed to eat blood, and when we eat blood most of it stays out of our system (digestion system), isn't it then a much larger decision to pour blood directly into yours? If you dont think so then we ahave a disagreement here, but that doesn't mean that what I am saying isn't based on the bible.

  Isn't this more equivocation? Does similarity establish either physical or moral equivalency?

  While drinking a glass of water and drowning in a lake may both be loosely described as "Taking in water," there is a world of difference between taking water into your lungs (Your respiratory system) and taking water into your stomach (Your digestive system) The two acts are not physical equivalents.

  Similarly, while marital sex and adultery both fall into the larger catagory of "sex" the two acts are not moral equivalents.

  The illegitimacy of equivocation is no different with blood. While you could argue that blood has been misused or profaned in some way when it is eaten, how can you make that argument when blood is performing the common set of organic functions for which it was intended in the first place? (e.g. Circulating in your arteries and veins)
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  Double Edge

  Double Edge,

  The link you gave is dead.

  Re: the 20 question "test" ... go to www.Beliefnet.com

  On the left hand side of the page, click on "What's your spirituality type"...
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  Narkissos

  @ TD.
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  unique1

  Definitely read Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz before deciding to be a JW or not. The book is not malicious or hateful in any way. It give a good overall view of the JW's. Hope you find what you are looking for in life. Best Wishes.
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  Delta20

  o.0, You guys are active! Gotta love that! Here we go,

  TD,

  OK, so we are talking about pikuach nefesh here, related to bloodtransfusion. In that sense pikuach nefesh is hypocritical, because that principle is being misused. I named Maimonides as one of the misusers of that principle. You might ask, how did they misuse that principle? Let me explain. Suppose we have the example we used last time, a man who at the time of jom kippur, gets dizzy because his fluids were drained and he needs water. Luckily today water is easier available to us then thousands of years ago. But suppose there is no water, the man is in the desert. And then he sees a dead animal which still has blood inside of it. And suppose this blood is enough to save his life. What would he do? What would the bible say he should do?

  1 Samuel 14

  31 That day, after the Israelites had struck down the Philistines from Micmash to Aijalon, they were exhausted. 32 They pounced on the plunder and, taking sheep, cattle and calves, they butchered them on the ground and ate them, together with the blood. 33 Then someone said to Saul, "Look, the men are sinning against the LORD by eating meat that has blood in it."

  "You have broken faith," he said. "Roll a large stone over here at once." 34 Then he said, "Go out among the men and tell them, 'Each of you bring me your cattle and sheep, and slaughter them here and eat them. Do not sin against the LORD by eating meat with blood still in it.' "

  So everyone brought his ox that night and slaughtered it there. 35 Then Saul built an altar to the LORD ; it was the first time he had done this.

  We are talking about Saul here, who at that time already starting to annoy God. But even he realised that eating blood was wrong, very wrong. And this is just one example of the many in the OT where it says that eating any kind of blood is a sin. But so far we have only talked about eating, what about transfusion? First let me quote Acts 15:29:

  29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality

  So we are to abstain from blood. Suppose we were talking about a medicine. When it says we should abstain from this medicine, does that mean we shouldnt eat it, but we can inject it into our bloodstream. No! As I said before (and maybe made more clearer now) pumping stuff into your blood is more radical then eating, so when you are not allowed to eat it you are definatly not allowed to pump it into your bloodstream.

  This is exactly what JW believe (I am almost completely typing this over from one of their texts). And this really seems to make sense to me. What should the poor guy in the desert do? If he believes in the bible and doesnt want to offend God, then he doesnt take the blood from the animal. You can say alot about JW, but you cannot say that they havent grounded their principles on scriptures. To this end I want to conclude that there are borders to the use of the principle of pikuach nefesh. And I thought that one of those lines were surpassed when Maimonides allowed Jews to convert to Islam. To end my point, please reread Daniel 3 here:

  13 Furious with rage, Nebuchadnezzar summoned Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. So these men were brought before the king, 14 and Nebuchadnezzar said to them, "Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the image of gold I have set up? 15 Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipes and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?"

  16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king, "O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it, and he will rescue us from your hand, O king. 18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up."

  These people, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, would die for God even if he wouldnt save them now before they ever would bow before another gods statue. I conclude that Maimonides was wrong in telling the Jews to convert to the islam. And I also conclude that its wrong taking in blood. And of course its the hardest thing one can possible imagine if your children lie there and need blood. But read www.noblood.org and other institutions like that, theres alternatives.

  Pole,

  "This is totally fallacious. So if you have no idea what the current interpretation is, you go for the one that kills your children, just because it's not "the easy one"? Do you really think God made up stupid metaphysical rules like you can accept hemoglobin (97% of red cells), but you can't accept whole blood and he wants you to follow them even if you have to dsacrifice your child? Don't call it a test of faith - as you have admitted it's not scriptural."

  As for scriptures, see above. As for that hemoglobine is 97% of red bloodcells. Sure. but look again at the diagams. are red bloodcells 97% of blood? No! Hemoglobine != blood, especially not if that hemoglobine is produced in laboratories etcetera. At least thats my opinion, so I dont find it hypocritical at all to accept that. Its like telling someone who is not allowed to eat meat that they are hypocrits for eating soya meat. Sure, soya meat looks like meat, but it isn't the same.

  frankiespeakin,

  "There are no such things in the Bible. The bible writer never displayed knowledge that was beyond ken. Are you making this stuff up???"

  Errr... I see that you aren't a Ex-JW! Good for you! You should actually visit a KH and talk to some Elders about some of your questions about the bible. But to answer your question, no I am not making this up, yes I can show you scriptures (and se can all the other Ex-JW's here) and I would show them to you if I werent tired from working all day and writing about the bloodtransfusion thing. This all is real brainmuscle workout =) I can try suppying you with some info later on, but you're better off going to the local KH , ask them about scientific proof that the bible is corect and that it even says things those people couldnt have known, and they are happy to supply you with info. Plus I think they can easily clear up some of your "contradictions". I love contradictions, so many people use that word in such wrong ways, ah well, thats an entirely other philosophical debate =)
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  frankiespeakin

  Delta,

  But to answer your question, no I am not making this up, yes I can show you scriptures (and se can all the other Ex-JW's here) and I would show them to you if I werent tired from working all day and writing about the bloodtransfusion thing.

  Well I don't see what so hard about quote a scripture or two that show bible writters had knowledge about things beyond thier ken. Just quote the scripture and say briefly what in the scripture shows knowledge beyond the writers ken it shouldn't be that time consuming.

  This all is real brainmuscle workout =) I can try suppying you with some info later on, but you're better off going to the local KH , ask them about scientific proof that the bible is corect and that it even says things those people couldnt have known, and they are happy to supply you with info.

  I was an elder for over a decade,,and have heard all the explanations already,,so I won't be impresses by going to a Kingdom Hall for answers. Been there,, done that,, and I can assure you they don't have answers.

  Plus I think they can easily clear up some of your "contradictions". I love contradictions, so many people use that word in such wrong ways, ah well, thats an entirely other philosophical debate =)

  Well if you love contridiction then you will make a fine JW.
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  Valis

  Errr... I see that you aren't a Ex-JW! Good for you! You should actually visit a KH and talk to some Elders about some of your questions about the bible. But to answer your question, no I am not making this up, yes I can show you scriptures (and se can all the other Ex-JW's here) and I would show them to you if I werent tired from working all day and writing about the bloodtransfusion thing. This all is real brainmuscle workout =) I can try suppying you with some info later on, but you're better off going to the local KH , ask them about scientific proof that the bible is corect and that it even says things those people couldnt have known, and they are happy to supply you with info. Plus I think they can easily clear up some of your "contradictions". I love contradictions, so many people use that word in such wrong ways, ah well, thats an entirely other philosophical debate =)

  *LOL* Shaky foundations is what you will find in their old writings...

  *** The Golden Age 1928 March 21 p.398 The Aluminum Poisoning at Punxsutawney ***

  Several subscribers for The Golden Age make their living selling aluminum ware, or at any rate they were subscribers, but they have intimated that since we have said something about their business we are no longer any good, and never were any good, and they are surprised at us, because they have at hand the necessary opinions of "three responsible physicians" who know it all, and even if millions are made sick and die lingering deaths, we must not say a word on the subject. All of which scares us very much, and we promise not to publish anything more on this question until we get the next chance.

  *** The Golden Age 1929, p. 436 "Some Unusual Sources and Results of Aluminum Poisoning"***

  This poison must be excreted from the body by bowels or kidneys; and thus, in cleaning up the body, you find it last in anus and urethra and sometimes in prostate. If the bowels act fully and completely and from two to three times a day, as they should, then this poison can pass through the body without much of bad effects. But if the bowels are sluggish, then you get a loading up and damming back, until every organ in the body is poisoned and it finally breaks out though ulcers, etc. An ulcer is nothing but the effort of the body to throw off chronic excess poison at that point. That same thing is true in cancer. Here you always find, according to these tests, natrium muriate and aluminum nitrate being excreted, and potassium nitrate present.

  [?]

  ?from eighty to ninety percent of all my patients, both in acute and chronic cases, show aluminum poisoning in one or more places in the body. Thus, after syphilis ? [aluminum] is the most common source of toxemia?

  *** Watchtower May 15 1970, p. 315 Avoiding the Snare of Homosexuality ***

  (see also Watchtower October 1 1970, p. 604)

  Helpful in this regard, then, is appreciating the fact that autoeroticism or masturbation is no mere innocent pastime but rather a practice that can lead to homosexual acts. How so? In that self-induced masturbation may make it easier and more tempting for one to engage in mutual masturbation, which is a form of homosexuality. Sincerely striving against this practice will go far to protect a youth.

  ***Watchtower 1913 July 1 p. 200 A Cure for Surface Cancer ***

  ... We have recently learned of a very effective and simple remedy for cancers which show themselves on the surface of the body. We are informed that a physician, after testing this remedy, paid $1000 for the information, and that he has established a Cancer Hospital which is doing good work. The recipe has come to us free and we are willing to communicate the formula, but only to those who are troubled with surface cancers and who will write to us directly, stating particulars. No fee will be charge, but in order to protect the sufferers, we require a promise that they will not sell the formula to others, nor receive pay for the use of it, nor communicate the formula to anybody. Any one known to be a sufferer can be informed of the terms on which the prescription is obtainable through us.

  *** The Golden Age 1919 November 26 p.153 ***

  Even years ago it was known by some people that the use of pacifiers by babies is one of the chief causes of diseased and enlarged tonsils and adenoid growths, which results from the suction.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1920 December 8 p.146 ***

  Milk is the greatest curative food known.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, Jan. 1, 1923 p.214 ***

  But the dog-rabies-vaccine imposition is the latest.... Rabies! When it has been shown conclusively that there is no such thing as rabies

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, Jan. 16, 1924, p. 250 ***

  It has never been proven that a single disease is due to germs.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, April 22, 1925, p. 454 ***

  [See also ad for the Electronic Radio Biola is on page 479.]

  I HAVE named this new discovery, which I believe will be epochal in the history of the treatment of disease, and which I am exclusively announcing in THE GOLDEN AGE prior to its general publication elsewhere, The Electronic Radio Biola, which means life renewed by radio waves or electrons. The Biola automatically diagnoses and treats diseases by the use of the electronic vibrations. The diagnosis is 100 percent correct, rendering better service in this respect than the most experienced diagnostician.... THE principle of operation of the Biola is the collection... of the disease vibrations.... the fluid containing the same waves or vibrations enters the body, meets the disease waves and destroys them.... This is a great step forward, marking the Biola as the most valuable treatment apparatus obtainable today, and well worthy of notice in the columns of a magazine like THE GOLDEN AGE...

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, Feb. 10, 1926, p.310 ***

  Air baths are good for preventing colds... What you do is strip naked mornings and evenings and then bob up and down for a while.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1926 Apr 7 p.438} ***

  Tonsillectomy is called a minor operation. If so, getting well is a double major. If any overzealous doctor condemns your tonsils go and commit suicide with a case-knife. It's cheaper and less painful.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1926 June 16 p.583} ***

  God [may soon cause] a comet [to be] captured by the Earth.. [to] bring about a radical change in earth's climatic conditions and transform the surface of our planet into a paradise, wherein disease and death will be no more.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1927 Oct 5 p.10} ***

  In the future man will get his food directly from the sun.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, Nov. 28, 1928, p. 133 ***

  All human ailments have their start in the intestines.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1929 November 12 p. 107 ***

  If the organs [of your body] are diseased, heal them by correcting your diet. Avoid the use of aluminum cooking utensils and alum baking powders as they are injurious to your health, poisoning your blood stream... Sleep on the right side or flat on your back, with the head toward the north so as to get benefit of the earth's magnetic currents. Avoid serum inoculations as they pollute the blood stream with their filthy pus.... Stop chewing gum, as you need the saliva for your food.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** Consolation 1931 December 1 p.12 ***

  A subscriber.... finds a drop or two of kerosene excellent for quickly cleaning sinks and bathtubs; it cuts the dirt immediately and leaves no odor; and when applied to cuts the cuts heal sooner. Try it.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1933 September 13 p.777 ***

  The earlier in the forenoon you take the sun bath, the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, Oct. 25, 1933, p. 57 ***

  ...Enfeebled constitutions, inherited from fashionable mothers, cannot stand up under tobacco...

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, September 26, 1934, p. 807 ***

  The Journal of the A. M. A. is the vilest sheet that passes the United States mail.... Nothing new and useful in therapeutics escapes its unqualified condemnation. Its attacks are generally ad hominem. Its editorial columns are largely devoted to character assassination.... Its editor [Morris Fishbein] is of the type of Jew that crucified Jesus Christ.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, July 5, 1935, p. 632 ***

  HOW many people know, I wonder, of the curative properties of olive oil. The word "cure" is a strong term.... I personally know of more than one being relieved of liver trouble, and even cured of gall stones, by the use of olive oil.... A friend who for years has suffered pain in the region of the appendix was entirely relieved by the oil treatments.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1936 September 23 p.828 ***

  Do not use X-Rays... they are destructive and sure to harm the grandchildren of those exposed to them.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** Watchtower 1952 February 1 pp.95-6 Questions from Readers ***

  ? A folder advertising the supposed health aids of The Jonadab Wise School of Health was distributed to Jehovah's witnesses attending the recent assembly in Washington, D.C., and among other things said: "This unusual authentic service is prepared and offered to you by Jehovah's Witnesses." Does the Watchtower Society endorse this??W. H., California.

  No, the Society does not endorse it. For the sake of the record, let us say that we are not medical advisers. We leave it up to each individual to choose his own type of treatment. Some may favor surgery, some medicines, some diets, and some may prefer other forms of treatment. One illness may require surgery, another may call for dieting. Also, the treatment that helps one may be of no aid or even be detrimental to another. So let each one go to those who are trained in the treatment of his choice. The Society is formed for the purpose of preaching the gospel, and in this field of activity we are happy to offer help and advice. We are not professionally trained doctors, and do not advise on health matters except as they may involve Scriptural issues, such as in the case of blood transfusions.

  *** The Golden Age 1921 Oct 12 p.17 ***

  Vaccination never prevented anything and never will, and is the most barbarous practice... Use your rights as American citizens to forever abolish the devilish practice of vaccination.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1923 January 3rd, p.214 ***

  The public is not generally aware of how large an industry is the manufacture of serums, anti-toxins and vaccines, or that big business controls the whole industry...

  ...the boards of health endeavor to start an epidemic of smallpox, diphtheria, or typhoid that they may reap a golden harvest by inoculating an unthinking community for the very purpose of disposing of this manufactured filth...

  Vaccination summed up is the most unnatural, unhygienic, barbaric, filthy, abhorrent, and most dangerous system of infection known. Its vile poison taints, corrupts, and pollutes the blood of the healthy, resulting in ulcers, syphilis, scrofula, erysipelas, tuberculosis, cancer, tetanus, insanity, and death.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1924 Jan 16 p.250 ***

  It has never been proven that a single disease is due to germs.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1927 July 1 p.643} ***

  Every bedroom [should receive] at least two hours of sunlight every day [this will] kill tuberculosis and other germs.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1929 Aug 25 pp.751-754 ***

  Disease [is] caused by fermentation and heat... not germs. [It cannot be] proven [that] any disease was caused by germs [including] so-called infectious diseases... chicken pox and small pox.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1929 May 1 p.502 ***

  Thinking people would rather have smallpox than vaccination, because the latter sows the seed of syphilis, cancers, escema, erysipelas, scrofula, consumption, even leprosy and many other loathsome affections. Hence the practice of vaccination is a crime, an outrage and a delusion.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, July 24, 1929, p. 682 ***

  ON READING a report in The Golden Age that seventy percent of New York's children are defective, and eighty-five percent of Chicago's children, we must all realize that this terrible condition is only of very recent years.

  How can it be otherwise? The streets are just lined with M.D. poison squirters. They are seen everywhere with grips full of the most deadly poisons and needles for injecting them. This they do to every child they can corner.

  Without doubt the fifteen and thirty percent found O.K. are in most cases those who have escaped the poison squad. First, there is the M.D. vaccinating mania. Then comes the antitoxin for other excuses, etc., until the children are full of the most deadly poisons known. Added to this is the fact that they are compelled to drink milk from cows that have also been subjected to a liberal injection of tuberculin, a most terrible deadly poison. This poison enters directly into the blood circulation. Hence the milk. Then this milk is sterilized, or scalded to the boiling point or nearly so, destroying much of the life-giving nourishment of the milk, but not injuring the poison therein. Scalded milk, for either adults or children, is very constipating. This in turn causes more deaths and resulting ailments than do all other causes combined, I surely believe.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, November 13, 1929, pp. 106-107 ***

  Avoid serum inoculations and vaccinations as they pollute the blood stream with their filthy pus.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, Feb 4 1931 pp. 293, 294, 297 The Sacredness of Human Blood (Reasons why vaccination is unscriptural) ***

  ...the vaccination law reduces the father and mother to mere slavery, almost as bad as the colored people were in, when their children were put up on the block and sold. In many slave-sale cases the mother and father were even forbidden to shed tears.

  Vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that God made with Noah after the flood.

  [?]

  Vaccination has never saved a human life. It does not prevent smallpox.

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, Feb 4 1931 p. 293 The Sacredness of Human Blood (Reasons why vaccination is unscriptural) ***

  Quite likely there is some connection between the violation of human blood [vaccines] and the spread of demonism...

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age, Aug. 5, 1931, pp. 727-728 ***

  Mr. West mentions so-called "syphilis." Why does he not prove that there is such a disease? He simply accepts the existence of the protean monster on faith.... We do well to bear in mind that among the drugs, serums, vaccines, surgical operations, etc., of the medical profession, there is nothing of value save an occasional surgical procedure. Their whole so-called "science" grew out of Egyptian black magic and has not lost its demonological character. By their own admission, more deaths are caused by their practice every year in this country than from any other cause. We shall be in a sad plight when we place the welfare of the race in their hands.

  Readers of The Golden Age know the unpleasant truth about the clergy; they should also know the truth about the medical profession, which sprang from the same demon-worshipping shamans (doctor-priests) as did the "doctors of divinity." ... These readers know the truth about the politicians, who also descended from the same line of "children God" or "children of the Sun" as did the priests and medicine men. Hippocrates was the grandson of Apollo, and... medicine originated in demonology and spent its time until the last century and a half trying to exorcise demons. During the past half century it has tried to exorcise germs. Its methods are the same in both efforts at exorcism, and instead on injuring the demon or the germ, the injury is often to the patient

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** The Golden Age 1935 March 27th p.409 ***

  Serum for "Christmas"!

  A CERTAIN "health" commissioner offered the suggestion a short time ago that no mother could give her child a better present for "Christmas" than diphtheria immunization, meaning an injection of filthy and poisonous serum.

  It is said that diphtheria is particularly deadly of late, and that seems likely. Parents cannot give their children the foods needed to build sturdy bodies that can resist the disease. But while parents are not able to get proper foods, they can get the serum injections for their children free.

  The Devil is bent on destroying the human family, denying them the necessary comforts of life, and urging them to give their children "Christmas" presents of germ-laden pus. What a travesty of civilization!

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** Consolation, Dec. 1, 1937, p. 12 ***

  At Los Angeles a youth of 20 years was caught in the act of choking a woman of 75. Arrested, and suspected of three murders, he claims the urge to kill came as a result of serum inoculations...

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** Consolation, March 22, 1939, p. 21 ***

  ...the irrefutably logical fact that serums and vaccines are products of contamination...rise in cancer is attributed to the use of serums...for the best part they are but handicaps to inherent healing forces of the human body...these are by-products of pus matter...in reality and action it is worse than the proverbial "seven plagues"...One may go through life without having serious manifestations of what has been injected into his blood-stream, thus thinking he was "immunized", but, suddenly, it may begin its satanic work on his child, or even "unto third and fourth generation".

  [Emphasis Added]

  *** Consolation, May 31, 1939, p. 3 ***

  [This is a summary, not a quote]

  [Vaccination is a "cruel hoax" on mankind by Satan himself.]
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  Brummie

  Its ironical that JWs miss the point when it comes to the blood issue, they still argue that " when blood is broken down into particles its ok to use certain particles as long as you dont use the other particles", you even get a lengthy WT article explaining which "partical" is ok and which "partical" is still forbidden.

  So the issue for them is the definition of the lil "particle" rather than all those children and adults who died in the past because even the lil particles were not allowed.

  They have blood guilt on their hands, yep, they do!

  Brummie