Bizarre news story

by BoozeRunner 118 Replies latest jw friends

  • kenyata
    kenyata

    To all,

    I do agree with BigBoi that it doesn't take $900 a month to raise a child but then you have to go by where you live. The cost of living is higher in some places than others. Extra activities are just that, extra. If you want your kid to have lessons in piano, if they want to ski, take swim, go hiking, take gymnastics, what ever's that goig to be extra money, be able to afford it. If the cp wasn't able to afford it before and because they took the ncp back to court and now their getting $40,000 instead of $9,000, fine. But with that extra money, is all that the cp spends in regards to the kid? Thats the question. Theres nothing wrong with using, lets say the first $2000 goes towards bills, rent or mortgage, electric, gas, phone, cable, medical(if you have to pay monthly and you'll aren't getting medicaid), doctors appt's. Lets say after you've gone clothes shopping and you've gotten what they need. What do you do with the other almost $30,000, did you get your kid a savings account where what ever's left goes there towards future college and their future care expenses? Is any of your kids money going towards you getting a new pair of shoes or sneakers, you going to the hairdresser, you going clothes shopping for yourself, you spending your kids money on your other family, your friends or your boy/girlfriends, wife/husband?
    I think that's what most people are getting at. The ncp knows that all of the $$$$$$$$$ that they send is not all going on the kids, that's the point. And I feel you. The $$$$$$$ is supposed to be used in the caregivers or cp's discretion, but come on now. Get realisic, name me some cp's who don't use any of their kids $$$$$$$$ on themselves or others, things that don't have anything to do with them?
    And I'll call them a liar. I have 3 as I've stated before and it doesn't take me $900 a month to care for them. Our expenses haven't changed from before we were married. Whether your married or not and you break up, things are going to change anyways. There will be 2 house holds to pay for, 2 sets of bills. Larc pointed out about if the cp makes $50,000 and the ncp makes over $200,000, then 17% of ncp's income would be $34,000 and that's what the cs would be. What if its the other way around and the cp is making $200,000 and the ncp's making only $50,000, that means the ncp would be paying $8500 a month, then what. People always assume that the guy is always making more than the female, its not always true. Where does day care come in for the couple who then decides to split up? How ever they had it before, they'd just continue. But say for instance both mom and dad make the same amount, its rare but it can happen. Lets say both make $15,000 a year, 17% of the ncp's income is $2550. So one parents income goes up by $2550 and the others goes down by $2550. Except when tax time comes, of course the cp gets the fed., state, eic and and child credit. The ncp only gets the fed,state, and eic for themselves. The cp gets money back for taking care of the kid and spending money on them. What does the ncp get? As I stated before some boards back, I think a law should be passed that depending on what the ncp paid for cs the year before, they should get back half. I bet you then, there would be more child support paid.

  • kenyata
    kenyata

    To WhyNow2000,

    Thankyou,I do so strongly think that cs should be accounted for, an account should be opened for the kids.

  • JustAThought
    JustAThought

    To bring some factual information to this discussion, lets look at the compiled data for the lastest year (1995) the census bureau has compiled data regarding child support in the U.S.

    This information can be obtained at ...

    http://forever.freeshell.org/csus.htm#CSpartial

    ... along with links to the actual Census Bureau reports.

    Okay, ... in 1995 ...

    ... there were 13.7 million custodial parents in the U.S.
    ... (where custodial parent is defined as parents living with
    ... children under the age of 21, where the other parent is
    ... absent from that home.)

    ... 11.6 million of these custodial parents were moms

    ... 2.1 million of these custodial parents were dads

    ... 7.0 million of these custodial parents were due to receive
    ... child support payments from the non-custodial parent

    ... 2.7 million of these custodial parents received full
    ... payment of child support due from the NCP

    ... 2.1 million of these custodial parents received partial
    ... payment of child support due from the NCP

    ... 2.2 million of these custodial parents received no payment
    ... of child support due from the NCP

    ... total child support payment in 1995 was $17.8 billion or
    ... (63%) of the $28.3 billion due for 1995

    ... the average amount of child support received for custodial
    ... parents due child support from the NCP was $3,732.00 for
    ... the year 1995

    ... the average amount of child support received for custodial
    ... parents due child support from the NCP was $310.00 per month for
    ... the year 1995

    ... Note that the above is the average child support received per
    ... custodial household REGARDLESS of the number of children being
    ... supported

    ... The average number of children per custodial household is 1.664
    ... (or, approximately 1 and 1/2)

    So, ... let's dispense with all this talk of custodial parents who are making out like a bandit because they receive child support payments. According to the data cited, the average amount of child support received per child (in 1995) was $2,480.00 or $206.66 per month. If we assume that the outlay per parent should be about equal, then the amount available to the custodial parent for expenses generated by raising one child would be about $5,000.00 yearly or $415.00 per month. Coupling this information with the information gleaned by LDS yesterday (and using the lowest figures in the charts), it is easy to see that, rather than having a surplus of funding with which to raise and support their children living with them, custodial parents, on average, have a deficit of funding for raising their children on the average of about $1,075.00 per year per child.

    (Note, again, that the above figures do not include the cost of financing a college education)

    So, what happens to all this money that's paid in child support? Surprise, ... it pays for the support of the child ... ALL OF IT. And, guess what, ... THERE'S STILL NOT ENOUGH. Now, I have no doubt, that sometimes, a CP will take part of what comes in as child support and spend it on something that's not related to the child. But, guess what, ... the CP is already in the hole on child support because Junior needed new glasses last month, or Colby's bed is about to fall apart.

    So, ... where then is all this money for 'lifestyle upgrades'?

    Who, in the majority of cases, do you think, supplements the funding available for raising their children, so that their children don't have to go without?

    JustSomeFacts

  • WhyNow2000
    WhyNow2000

    We are not saying that all of them are "making out like bandits" but for the ones that strive there should be accountability. Just like that not everyone is a criminal but for the ones that are we have accountability (loss of freedom).

  • bigboi
    bigboi

    JustAThought:

    You Said:

    So, ... let's dispense with all this talk of custodial parents who are making out like a bandit because they receive child support payments.

    No one said that All custodial parents were making out like bandits. This subject was brought up when I objected to someone's assertion that it took $20,000/yr to raise a child.

    Your focus is on child support that is owed. I'm not talking about that. The subject was on what is a right amount to pay and what should be done with the money that's paid. Where are the statistics about the NCP'S and the average salaries after taxes includeing cs payments? Where is the demographical info on recipients and how much they earn on average? If most guys are paying an unfair amount in relation to what they actually make and how much of the responsibility should be shouldered by the cp then of course money will be owed. Also, how many of these CP's make more than the NCP's. IMO, there is too much info that isn't condsidered here.

    ONE....

    bigboi

    "it ain't what ya do. it's how you do it" quote from the song "True Honeybunz" by Bahamadia

  • JustAThought
    JustAThought
    This subject was brought up when I objected to someone's assertion that it took $20,000/yr to raise a child.

    Bigboi,

    Noone said that it takes $20,000 a year to raise a child. One poster said that that was about the amount she received in child support, and went on to illustrate how that money was, indeed, spent on her child.

    The other statistical information you mention is probably included in the latest census information, which you can access through the link ...

    http://forever.freeshell.org/csus.htm#CSpartial

    ... which has links to the broader census information.

    Hope this helps.

  • LDH
    LDH

    Once a court has ordered CS, the NCP does NOT get an accounting of the money.

    Do married people have to go to court to give an accounting of how they spend their money? No, so why should CP's have to do that?

    If you can't trust the woman to spend money wisely and provide with a child, don't whip your dick out of your pants. Once that child is born, it's too late to start worrying about that.

    Also, if my husband's and mine income equaled let's say $30,000 and we got another $20,000 then hell yes, that would be a different situation. In my situation, the CS doesn't even reflect 1/5 of total household income. Therefore, WE are not living off of the CS, my daughter is.

    {PS Bigboi, don't you know that nutritious whole foods cost WAY MORE than the crap most people feed their kids? Don't believe me? Ever been in a Whole foods market?--Why did you say WTF? I have seen many welfare recipients with their shopping carts full of Trix, Froot Loops and Shit, and mine is full of Meuslix etc etc.)

  • bigboi
    bigboi

    LDH:

    Your assertion in that satement you made is ridiculous. Hence my WTF!!! As in what the fuck are you talkin about? Only poor uneducated ppl eat Tricks and FrootLoops? Come on!!! That's ridiculous. Meuslix? You mean Muleshit, I would never pay that high ass price for fuckin cereal that sucks. If I die from being unhealthy, well at least I'll die a fat happy mufucka! Whole foods? I like to eat a couple of whole T-Bone steaks. But guess what, I only buy when they're like 4.99 a lb. I buy a good bit so I don't have to buy again til it's on sale. Cereal I only buy it when it's on sale for 2 for 5.00. That has nothing to do with being poor, btw. I'm not, I used to be though and that taught me the value of a dollar. I don't fall for all that shit ppl put in ya brain about food to get ya spend more money than neccessary to eat. If thats what you want to do, though then do it. Don't make ludicrous asssertions about ppl because of their choice not too. PUHLEEEEZZZE, lady!

    ONE....

    bigboi

    "it ain't what ya do. it's how you do it" quote from the song "True Honeybunz" by Bahamadia

  • LDH
    LDH

    OK Big I don't want you to take this thread in another direction.BUT At first I said IGNORANT people feed their children junk food. Now there are ignorant people be they rich or poor.

    I was remarking on my experience regarding SOME welfare recipients (NOT ALL) who need to be counseled on how to budget their food dollars, as well as what makes up a healthy diet for a child. Now just because YOU used to be poor and you knew how to eat well, does NOT MEAN all poor people know how to eat well.

    I used to belong (actually coordinated) a food co-op. Of all the times I tried to get women who I was mentoring (family svcs and all that) to take advantage of these nutritious whole foods, NEVER ONCE did anyone on food stamps want to buy bulk rice, oats, grains, cheeses, meats etc. The members of my food co-op were all working middle-class women.

    I can't tell you the times I've given rides to women I've mentored; they 'need groceries' or so they say. One hour and $150 food stamps later, they emerge with a shopping cart full of TREATS and crap food.(And here I go, with fruits, veggies, meats & whole grains spending more).

    NO I did NOT say being poor means you eat like shit, you implied that. I told you being IGNORANT makes people choose unhealthy foods for their children. And it's not in my head, look at the statistics on the way obesity has risen in children here in the US.

    ANY parent will tell you it is more expensive to feed your kids right than just load them up on Kraft Macaroni and Cheese.

  • patio34
    patio34

    Hi JanH,

    Thanks for the note. Would you be able to provide the rationale for the decline expected in the population after reaching 11.5 billion?

    Pat

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