BigBoi--as far as I'm concerned, it's a case of simple mathematics.
I know MANY people who won't get their male pet sterilized. WHY? Because they don't have to be faced with caring for the litter.
The same with men. A woman can have one child a year, give or take a couple of months. Too many children, and her life is in danger. In the meantime, a man can father a different child every night, if he so chooses. And just keep walking away. And if the woman's conscience doesn't allow abortions, well, you know what happens.
It's pure math. Control the producer, not the product of the reproduction.
As far as the CS not being taxable, flat out don't be dumb. Uncle Sam has laws against double taxation. If the man and woman were living together, she wouldn't pay taxes on it. The whole point is to not penalize the child because the parents are not together.
In addition, if the father is non-custodial, and has no interest at all in his child, as evidenced by the fact he had to be court ordered to pay child support, the mother claims that child as a dependent. So she gets the money and the tax write-off, yer damn skippy. And you have the nerve to thinks that's selfish? My good friend, you can fuck off. I raised a child on my own for six years before I got married, in the process it took three years to get one penny out of the bastard. And I had a lawyer AND he was being pursued by the county, AND the family court judge knows my family well. What chance does some under-educated, ignorant woman have of really 'socking it to the man.' She doesn't; it's a stereotype.
As I mentioned, I worked full-time with no welfare benefits of any kind. HELLO BIG BOI. Big fucking deal her biological father pays me some money. I have 24/7 full time responsibility, and anyone who knows me will tell you I don't take parenting lightly. We are both paying for not being careful enough. So please, get off your soap box about these poor men who shoot their sperm in all directions. The whole three years I took care of her needs myself, I didn't hear anyone sympathizing with my situation, complaining that I was spending too much of my own money. So who are you or anyone else to say, I'm spending too much of his money?
Now if you were paying 25% to Uncle Sam. Then you had another 10% coming out for retirement and insurance that's already more than a third of your pay. Then add on the additional 17% for a kid and that's like half your pay.
UMMMMMM that's why you work, to take care of your responsibilities. Tell me how it would be one penny less if you and the woman were married and had that child together. The bottom line, properly caring for a child COSTS MONEY There is a very easy way NOT to get children, wear a condom. My husband was 35 when I met him, and he had NO children ANYWHERE. ON PURPOSE. PS, He wasn't celibate before he met me.
PPS BigBoi, My two attorneys cost me over $10,500, which I didn't get back a penny of.
Kenyata,
With all due respect, are you insane? I get the exact same amount of child support, and let me tell you, unless you want to live like a bum, it's not enough for the mother and the child. If it happens to be a larger amount, who gives a shit? Can I help it that I was engaged to a doctor, not a Subway Sandwich Artist?
that's her fault cause she didn't do her research and get what her kid deserves
Maybe you didn't read what I wrote. This case was a landmark in NY. It WASN'T her fault she wasn't getting more money; prior to her case all the law cared about was the child getting enough to keep the mother off welfare. This case changed the entire support payment system, because a highly intelligent judge saw that the child was being penalized by a stingy, deceitful man.
I feel, you go off of what my employer says I make and after taxes, cs and all come out, if I don't have enough to pay my bills, rent, gas,electric, food, bus card or gas, my essential items, its getting lowered.
You've obviously never been in this situation. As I mentioned, I have. Of course my daughter's father ALSO wanted to go off of his gross income and not his net income. And he wanted to take deductions for everything under the sun. He also came to court prepared to lie, as do most NCPs. The judge on the case asked him for information, which he took out of his wallet. A yellow piece of paper fell out on the table; I thought nothing of it. The judge jumped on it like stink on shit. He asked him, "What is that piece of yellow paper?" "Oh, it's just a scrap, your Honor."
"Hand it here. I work for the State, and that SURE looks like a NY State pay stub. Hand it here."
Yes, he was hiding income, and NO ONE knew he was earning an additional $74,000 by moonlighting for the State.... You'd better believe he got it socked right where it hurt, in the pocket. And, I thanked Jehovah that Judge saw that piece of paper.
So please, folks, you really can't judge someone until you've walked in their shoes.
--->>>>>And it ISN'T just men who are deadbeats. When I moved to California, my neighbor who became my best friend told me of her husband's situation. Yes, he was paying her CS--$800/month and they were supposed to have joint custody. Only one problem. SHE NEVER PICKED THE GIRLS UP. She had a different excuse every week. After a while, I was like, "Why are you paying this wacky bitch?" AFTER FOUR YEARS he took her back to court, got full custody, and she was ordered to pay him a paltry $174/month for two girls. She quit her job two weeks after money started coming out of her check.
PPS for anyone going to court, you may be interested to know you can also request that the judge order the NCP to get life insurance and make the children dependents, with the CP a trustee for those funds. That way, if the NCP dies, you are not just relying on his/her Social Security Payments. If the NCP has a better health insurance plan than you have, you should also request that the judge order the NCP to add the dependent children to his/her policy.
Hope I haven't bored you to death.
Lisa
