by FreedomFrog 88 Replies latest jw friends
When people first enter a Kingdom Hall they usually still have strong reservations about Witnesses, but over time their objections are knocked away one by one - if they decide to hang around for long enough.
When a new poster arrives on JWD they are often already critical of Jehovah's Witnesses, but they are not yet entirely accepting of the apostate worldview. Over time, if they hang around, they gradually conform to the apostate view of Jehovah's Witnesses.
What is the difference???
but they are not yet entirely accepting of the apostate worldview.
um can you please define that?
A key difference, slimboyfat, is that there is no such thing as "the apostate worldview." No one here will try to compel you to believe any particular thing. You won't get kicked out if you believe in God, call him Jehovah, or whatever. You will, of course, lose the respect of others if you fail to think critically. But that happens everywhere, and is a good thing, in my opinion.
SNG
that's a good point jeffcake . From what I've been hearing they don't even baptize in the name of father ,son and holy spirit anymore . However I do agree that there is an anointed group and a great crowd even tho they use the scripture of 2 folds of sheep in the wrong way to support it . The scripture is really talking about the gentiles being counted among them . The bible does not say the great crowd cannot eat and drink at the memorial . Their salvation is based on jesus sacrifice as much as anybodies .
FreedomFrog ---- If you read the things that Rutherford said about religion being a snare and a racket then you see why the WTBTS classified itself as a religion , they even said they didn't have a clergy but by God to get around some taxes they stepped right up and changed their stance . They say the publications are on a donation basis but won't give the publishers magazines unless they pay up front . The blood policy is a joke , somehow fractions are ok but then taking whole blood isn't . Just where do they come up with this BS while letting people die over it .They protect child molesters by insisting young children need 2 witnesses what a crock that is , they protect people that abuse their spouses as well . They have no shelters for those that are poor and needy . yet they are a billion dollar corporation that has investments in the military even . Some posters have pointed out their stock shares in Rand Cam . They deny their affiliation with the scarlet colored wile beast of revelation that they proclaim is the #1 enemy of Gods people when they joined as an NGO . They are a joke , to utter one word about any of their doctrine and dogma that is contrary to the WTBTS is grounds for a judicial hearing . Of course they even deny the use of dogma when it's more and more obvious most of it is dogma . I could go on and on about the things you are missing out on but I think you are getting the idea ................
The apostate worldview is liberal in almost every respect apart from one.
You can believe in God/not believe in God. Believe the Trinity/not believe. The Bible: God or man's. You can be Republican, Democrat, black, white or green.
But those who subscribe to the apostate worldview must adhere to the single principle that bad motives are to be imputed to the actions prominant Witnesses in every instance. From the UN to the Trinity prochure or from the blood issue to Bulgaria - anyone who suggests that there may be another side to the story is a "TROLL!!!"
But those who subscribe to the apostate worldview must adhere to the single principle that bad motives are to be imputed to the actions prominant Witnesses in every instance.
uh slim you are on the verge of becoming a troll...people have tried explaining things to you, been nice for the most part, yet you come up with this utter drivel. No one has to adhere to anything ya moron...sheesh...
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
Thanks for confirming my theory about the limits of liberalism when it comes to the apostate worldview.
But those who subscribe to the apostate worldview must adhere to the single principle that bad motives are to be imputed to the actions prominant Witnesses in every instance.
Funny you should mention...
I just posted in JH's thread about some elders who volunteered to visit with him. I warned that they may well be on an apostate hunt, but then pointed out that they may actually just want to encourage him to rejoin the flock. They may be sincere.
JW's are very black and white, good/evil. The word apostate is like the word gentile. It doesn't define a group, it defines people that are NOT in a particular group. Among the folks on this site you'll find rabid Watchtower haters, Watchtower sympathizers, and Watchtower-couldn't-care-lessers. Often the attitude is driven by what good or bad they've experienced personally.
"every instance" in the above quotation is another example of black and white thinking.
Dave
FreedomFrog,
And I can't see a loving God EVER sending anyone to hell just because they couldn't find him.
Exactly. The concept the God would destroy someone who didn't believe in him is really strange. Imagine standing before God getting quizzed on why you didn't believe in him....
God: So, why didn't you go to church?
Me: Wha...? Well, I didn't think it was true.
God: Why not?
Me: Because I thought about it carefully, and I honestly didn't think Christianity was rooted in reality.
God: Hmm...Interesting. (Makes a hash mark on a hidden notepad) (To self) Another one not sold on Christianity. (To me) Well, I understand from reading your posts on JWD that you didn't even believe in me?
Me: Wow, you read my posts? Thank you, sir, I'm really flattered.
God: Oh, I was reading H20 for a while, but when the Witnesses would come on there, man, they could be kind of nuts. JWD is more my style. Anyway. So what's up with not believing in me?
Me: Well, sir, there didn't seem to be any convincing evidence that you existed. At least not in the forms proposed by the religions I was aware of.
God: (Laughs) You're telling me. Like I'm some murderous fiend hell-bent on destroying my own creation!
Me: Exactly!
God: Or a panopoly of animal-human hybrids!
Me: Hee hee. Wait, you're not? Just joshin' ya.
God: Or some fat guy whose stomach gives you good luck. Oops, did I say l say luck?
Me: Wow, you're a really great guy, God!
God: Thanks! Hey, you want to go grab a beer someplace? I know this great little dive up the street. Their home-brewed ale is wicked!
And that's seriously how I think it'd go down. If, indeed, there is such a thing as God.
SNG (waves at God)
Thanks for confirming my theory about the limits of liberalism when it comes to the apostate worldview.
you really are daft...whenever you "must adhere" to something you limit the possibility of belief. Thanks for playing...but try again. Sincerely, District Overbeer
