Am I right about the WT being wrong? (page 7)

AlmostAtheist

I doubt that anyone is right - that is my main area of doubt.

You are so close to a breakthrough here, just keep thinking about what you're saying. You're saying that "right" is a supreme, all-encompassing worldview that is correct. It is not flawed in any way. It is the absolute-zero of error. You're saying you doubt anyone has that worldview. You're right. Ok, now what? Do you continue to search for this mythical "right" group? Or do you decide that it doesn't matter and go find what's right for you, what works for SBF? What makes you happy. Wrecking my r/c helicopter makes me happy, so it's right for me to do that. I'll keep doing it and love it. Stop trying to identify this "right" group and start enjoying yourself. It's not selfish, it's using your time effectively and to a purpose, keeping your blows from striking the air. Dave

jaffacake

Slim, I am sure you are right about that. Those so sure they are right, are the ones I feel most surely are wrong.

Apostate and Troll are just name-calling, unless they are applied sincerely and accurately.

slimboyfat

All this talk about categories and so on. It is quite simple what I think:

Jehovah's Witnesses are people who think Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth.

Apostates are people who think that Jehovah's Witnesses do not have the truth.

I am a person who does not know whether Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth.

Why is there no place on this forum for such a view?

Have you ever considered that Jehovah's Witness may be neither right nor wrong? May have, and not have the truth?

I suggest that it is apostates, not I, who are ascribing all-encompassing categories to reality in Jehovah's Witness fashion.

FreedomFrog

If it is so wide, this apostate worldview, then how come I am a "troll" when:

sbf...valis didn't say you were a "troll"...he said that you were on the "VERGE" of becoming a troll. A "troll" is someone that gets on threads and states an opinion when they are only just trying to start trouble. If you have an opinion...back it up or explain. It not ethical to call ones being in an "apostate worldwide" or making statements such as "I doubt that anyone is right - that is my main area of doubt" and not willing to have an adult discussion on why you feel that way. That statement didn't have any reasons why you felt that way.

I'm not going to just "accept" anyones word for it. Not the dubs, not the other churches and not ones on here. I listen to what they say...I collect my information and then I'll make my own decision on this matter.

It seems to me (maybe I'm misunderstanding here) that you're seeing things only in black or white. I want to see other aspects on this. I am also called an "apostate" by the dubs definition...and so is my husband (AA)...but we both have very different views on some of these things. But we do discuss it and explained where we came from. So I don't see where you think that apostates fall in the same category as the dubs do. We all should be able to discuss deep subjects like this one with open minds. And if we don't agree...that's ok. That's one reason I left the borg...I couldn't "disagree" when I felt they were teaching things wrong.

FF

jeanniebeanz

Stop trying to identify this "right" group and start enjoying yourself. It's not selfish,

Dave is so right here. We go around in circles our entire lives and accomplish nothing if we are not willing to accept anything less than perfection. "The Truth" does not exist. Facts exist, but truth is highly subjective and depends on ones life experience and views.

SBF, just find something that makes you feel that what you are doing is good. You are worth that... Chasing the WTBTS in hopes that it will change and conform to your expectations is futile. It is a corporation and has no interest in you as a person. There are a lot of causes out there that are worth putting your time, and your life into; the 'society' is not.

J

jaffacake

slim,

What's your definition of the truth?

AlmostAtheist

Have you ever considered that Jehovah's Witness may be neither right nor wrong? May have, and not have the truth?

Can we instead say "have some truth"? If so, then sure. JW's have lot's of things right. But they claim to have "the truth" in total. They allow that the truth may change (!?) as "new light" is revealed, but they alone hold the current body of "truth".

I've never seen any ex-JW claim to have a monopoly on truth.

(Hint: there is no "the truth")

I ask you again, Slim, is there any particular point of truth that concerns you? Anything that can be openly discussed and debated, something that some facts could be brought to bear on?

Dave

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