still a lil scared but definately leaving (page 4)

IP_SEC

the first thing you need is an independant mind

Its too bad they teach that an independant mind is a sin, huh Okla?

FMZ

Good luck buddy :D Congratulations.

And no matter what you do... keep on loving.

FMZ

yeah the society is a bunch of psychological screwing with bullshit thats what ive learned it took me a week to break the fear of leaveing they pushed into me without my knowledge but yes an independant mind is the first thing you need if you are trying to get someone to change try to get them to think for themselves first

LittleToe

What have you learned about the psychological impact of family shunning you, from what you've read here?

You're in a great position, being able to take it as fast or as slow as YOU like. Think deeply about how you want to play this, as it will potentially have lifelong implications.

You have our support, regardless - as best as "virtual" people can support an individual.

OldSoul

OklaX,

I am hoping Steve (jst2laws) will come in and share with you his ideas about how to avoid any disfellowshipping. To do that, they would first have to have a legal right.

The answers to the two questions at your baptism are a publicly witnessed verbal contract with the organization. You cannot be bound to a contract you enetered into prior to the age of majority. If you legally renounce that decision prior to reaching the age of majority, you should be able to be legally returned to the same congregational status you enjoyed before becoming baptized.

Steve explains it better. He said you will likely want to seek out an attorney's advice.

Your Grandmother telling you that you might as well kill yourself shows how much confidence she has in Jehovah's ability to win his sheep back. I am sorry for you. I have been there.

We are very proud of you! It takes a lot of courage and many of those here have been through similar situations.

Respectfully,
OldSoul

OldSoul

LT: You have our support, regardless - as best as "virtual" people can support an individual.

I'm real, dammit!

OklaX,

Edit your profile to clue us in on your gender, please. Don't worry, there are lots of each in Oklahoma. I don't think that will be enough for someone to identify you and spoil your surprise by tomorrow.

Jestingly,
OldSoul

OklaXwitness

well im doing this tomorrow so he will have to post something about disfellowshipping or whatever today and yes ive thought out many things that might happen but after all that thinking u never know what will happen but i do know for a fact im not backing down this is the first time ive ever felt religious freedom the first time its wonderful being able to believe what i want instead of being enslaved to the mind games by the society

OklaXwitness

ya im definately taking this as quickly as i can lol my family is trying to take me back they know ive started thinking for myself it scares them and i understand why its because they dont know any better im not going to try and reason with them because i know thier influenced defenses will fly up and there will be conflicts between me and my family so im just going to try less as possible to talk to them about it but im definately going to tell them im leaveing first tomorrow and then the elders you guys have basically approved that i know enough to leave its funny it only took me like a week or 2 but i would really like it if Steve (jst2laws) would post up that legal information on everything because thats the one thing im not ready for

little toe i know the psycholgical impact of shunning will be bad lol my parents and i were never really close i think it basically had to do with the submissiveness and the way that the society makes it so u dont really express yourself like normal people im hoping this will change all that because ill be able to tell them everything

Bryan

OklaXwitness,

Congratulations on waking up. I was born in Ada and have a lot of family in McLoud and McAlister. Don't post where you are from, just wanted to tell you where I was from.

I'm glad you're talkig to your councelor. It will be tough for you emotionally. The alienation of family and friend is horrible and can leave you very lonely. My daughter at 18 was about to leave then she talked to her mother (jw) about it. She later called me and said she wasn't leaving because she didn't want to die. As you know, the jws use fear for control. So now my daughter won't even speak to me because I don't believe anymore. It's sad.

Take care and stick to your guns, but don't forget, your parent do deserve your utmost respect, but they don't deserve to ruin your life.

All my best,

Bryan

Have You Seen My mother

LittleToe

At sixteen I didn't think I was close to my family, either. As time wore on I came to realise just how close I actually was.
After DA'ing, the separation was devastating - far beyond anything I had conceived. I was numb for weeks!

I won't presume to know you, or your capacities - this is just a word to the wise, that you never realise how much you're going to miss something until it's gone!
In this regard I would suggest you PM Crumpet, as she left at age sixteen, and suffered from it. It's not an identical circumstance, as she still thought it was "the truth", but it may help you adjust

OldSoul:
I'm "virtually" a person

still a lil scared but definately leaving

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