still a lil scared but definately leaving (page 6)

OklaXwitness

lol well i might not have much time b4 im discovered i tried to help someone in another congregation over yahoo check it

(8:19:52 PM): ok so wat were ur questions
richmond_r (8:20:38 PM): i started to ask myself
richmond_r (8:20:59 PM): well whenever we have questions for our doctrine
(8:21:12 PM): ok wat is docrine
(8:21:17 PM): lol
richmond_r (8:21:19 PM): our belief
richmond_r (8:21:26 PM): our system of beliefs
(8:21:27 PM): mkkkkkkkk
richmond_r (8:21:48 PM): the society tells us to get out out bible and go into the publications and study for the answer
(8:21:57 PM): rytre
richmond_r (8:22:04 PM): ive done that about a few things
(8:22:09 PM): good
richmond_r (8:22:26 PM): and all ive seen is that the publications ran me around in a circle and didnt actually answer the question
(8:22:38 PM): wat was ur question?
richmond_r (8:22:52 PM): it was a long time ago
richmond_r (8:22:57 PM): hmm let me see if i can find it
(8:23:16 PM): (my name here) wat were the questions u were gonna ask me
richmond_r (8:23:31 PM): the rapture i was going to try and explain the rapture to a class mate
richmond_r (8:23:44 PM): but the reasoning on the scriptures just ran it around
(8:23:45 PM): look in the resoning book
richmond_r (8:23:46 PM): brb door
richmond_r (8:24:12 PM): i did
richmond_r (8:24:15 PM): anyway
richmond_r (8:24:27 PM): i asked myself is the society really trust worthy
(8:24:35 PM): yah
(8:24:41 PM): DUH!
richmond_r (8:24:48 PM): why are they trust worthy?
(8:24:58 PM): b/c its wat jehovah wants them 2 do
richmond_r (8:25:05 PM): how do we know this
(8:25:11 PM): the bible
richmond_r (8:25:13 PM): how do we know that the bible was pointing to them
(8:25:19 PM): NERT NERT
richmond_r (8:25:21 PM): lol
(8:25:25 PM): (mynamehere)
(8:25:42 PM): this is stupid ur saying stuff that is stupid
richmond_r (8:25:50 PM): hahhaha
(8:25:53 PM): u kno this is the truth
richmond_r (8:26:01 PM): do u know its the truth
(8:26:07 PM): don't get side tracked
(8:26:10 PM): yah
richmond_r (8:26:11 PM): lol
(8:26:12 PM): i do
(8:26:18 PM): and i don't question it
(8:26:22 PM): by ne means
richmond_r (8:26:38 PM): thats part of human nature thats normal we are supposed to question things
richmond_r (8:26:43 PM): the society doesnt want us to
(8:26:51 PM): u kno ur sayin a bunch a bull sheaaat that is dumb
(8:26:57 PM): and i don't have 2 listen 2 u
richmond_r (8:27:02 PM): i told u that
(8:27:03 PM): b/c its dumb
(8:27:07 PM): and i won't
(8:27:08 PM): bie
richmond_r (8:27:10 PM): when i first started talkin to ya
richmond_r (8:27:12 PM): kk

i have a stiuation where i can try and help people out of it but u guys have to tell me how to do it hurry i dont have much time b4 this chick reports me lol they are a bunch of spies

OklaXwitness

is there any way my dad could take away my job its a janitorial service i make 10 bucks an hour last night we worked 10 hours i made 100 bucks i like this money and i think i would need it if they do kick me out so im wondering if there is any way thatthey could take away my job?

melmac

Man, I wish I had half of your courage when I was a teenager! Whatever you do, I hope it ends well.

OklaXwitness

i dont think i have enough courage all i have is knowledge of the truth about the "truth" and im having a hard time decideing wether or not to distribute it amongst deaf ears or keep it to myself and leave and have a better relationship with my parents possibly i think if i went around and tryed to tell people then they might be more angry at me and view me as an apostate which is what i am now and want me out of thier lives for good

Daunt

Thing about that Okla. People need to listen but you are talking to Deaf mutes here. Most of them won't listen and will litterally shun you before the JC even thinks about talking to you. Unless you trust somebody extensively or you're just about to leave you could get away with it. Otherwise I dont think so.

OklaXwitness

yea it would probably be better just to get out i mean im dont think i could get anybody to listen to me i have a friend thats in but i didnt know until i was having doubts about the "truth" that he had planned on leaving for years and that hes just waiting till hes 18 thats the only person that i think i coulda helped but hes already helped himself lol

jst2laws

Okla,

You often refer to your urgent need to get out.

but i thought about it for a while and i really just wanna get out as fast as possible

If you mean "get out" that you want to get out from under Watchtower control, it appears you are already doing that. You were "out" the moment you decided it was a cult. Just stick to your resolve to refuse their leash. If you mean "get out" as to officially disassociating yourself, only a little more will be gained beyond what you have already accomplished, that is your mental and emotional FREEDOM you have now.

I'll suggest you listen to others here and take it a step at a time. Counselor tomorrow, maybe a couple of meetings with the counselor. Then give yourself time to think through the next necessary steps. YOU ARE IN CONTROL now, that is what is most important. But you are also young. If you are going to suddenly enter the adult world of decision making at age 16 you can expect to make some big mistakes due to lack of experience. Be very careful and make each decision after examining every possible side affect.

As to the legal side of leaving the WT without official WT action, PM me if you would like. The "ecclesiastical privilege" principle that protects religions from government interference is hard to crack. As Oldsoul said, in the real world you would not be held to a contract made at your age or younger. Assuming you are baptized, you made a contract with a publishing corporation masquerading as a religion. Really, since 1985 the second baptism question stated your agreement to live by the Watchtower corporation's rules. Someday this is going to be challenged by a young person who wants that contract nullified.

Sad thing is, if you leave with a big bang, your parents and friends will shun you whether or not official action is taken. There are other ways to leave the WT without such severe treatment but they take patience.

So slow down and enjoy your revelation, your new found freedom. As others here, I admire you and wish I had the Internet and your guts 40 years ago.

Jst2laws

OklaXwitness

aight ill slow down i told my dad that i dont believe it and i never will and i was very vague about why but anyway the part i needed courage for is over now all i gotta do is tough it out while my whole family cries thinking im going to die its makes me mad i want to tell them why i think this is wrong but i know they wont listen they would probably even become bitter so i just say i dont know what do u believe i dont know why do u think the "truth" is wrong i dont know my sister was all liek she got sooooooo emotional lol i was liek i dont think i should force myself to believe something for other people (my family) and she was like well if its the only thing that keeps u in the truth dude this is sooooooooooo messed up probably the biggest trial of my life i gotta stick to my guns i cant let em sidetrack me by them crying

jst2laws

Okla,

now all i gotta do is tough it out while my whole family cries thinking im going to die its makes me mad

Well, you are past that stage of living a double life. Your families reaction is rather typical of cult members.

I hope you remain thoughtful of your families feelings. They REALLY BELIEVE the WT stuff. Yet, as you say, they will not listen to you. I would suggest, after you give the family time to get accustomed to your stand, you try to be a good son and brother and just look for little tidbits to offer your family members to give them a little desire to look beyond their constraints.

Jst2laws

Golf

Greetings, ah, you have youth on your side, a big help!

Golf

still a lil scared but definately leaving

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