Are You For or Against Abortion?

by minimus 152 Replies latest jw friends

  • Evesapple
    Evesapple

    No Mr. Pole,

    Abortion is a personal choice and no one has any right to judge another according their choice, the only one that has that right his God himself, and none of us are in the position to judge another. what would it matter to you if I were for or against it...it serves no purpose but to simply raise an arguement. If judgemental is what you choose to be then you are no different than where you came from in being a JW....if there is anything I've learned in the past decade is to never judge another, ever....I spent a lot of wasted time with judgemental people and never again will I be that again.

  • sixsixsixtynine
    sixsixsixtynine
    Leftist: pro-abortion against death penalty, right wing: against abortion, for death penalty.

    Have you ever heard someone describe themselves as "pro-abortion"?

  • the_classicist
    the_classicist
    Abortion is a personal choice and no one has any right to judge another according their choice, the only one that has that right his God himself, and none of us are in the position to judge another.

    So when I see a murderer stabing you to death, I'll be respectful of his personal choice, not judge him, and walk away. Great logic.

  • Mary
    Mary

    So let's say Adolf Hitler's mother could've known what he was going to turn out like.............think she should've had an abortion?

  • Evesapple
    Evesapple
    So when I see a murderer stabing you to death, I'll be respectful of his personal choice, not judge him, and walk away. Great logic.

    ok, now you are comparing apples to oranges.......it's an inappropriate topic and serves no purpose but to start an arguement....no one has any right to judge another, that is what I am saying. I appologize for stepping on your toes obviously, I mean no harm to your personal beliefs. I will never try to change nor persuade your thinking on issues like this, because I am aware of peoples religeous beliefs and strong opinions and how very important it can be to them, as yourself....but I will never put myself in the place of God either.

  • the_classicist
    the_classicist

    So let's say Adolf Hitler's mother could've known what he was going to turn out like.............think she should've had an abortion?

    Your point is moot because you're trying to form an analogy out of an impossible situation.

    Nevertheless, as Hitler had not done anything yet, it would be evil to kill him for something that he could possibly do. Like arresting someone for a crime they could committ.

  • the_classicist
    the_classicist
    ok, now you are comparing apples to oranges

    Not really, murder is a personal choice. Hell, all our actions are.

    no one has any right to judge another, that is what I am saying.

    What exactly do you mean by "judge?" Society judges and condemns people all the time. Not only for the safety of humanity, but also for it's propagation.

  • Evesapple
    Evesapple
    What exactly do you mean by "judge?" Society judges and condemns people all the time. Not only for the safety of humanity, but also for it's propagation.

    oh sweetie...you have so much to learn........good luck to you dear.

  • the_classicist
    the_classicist
    oh sweetie...you have so much to learn........good luck to you dear.


    Is that 'cause you don't have a real answer or a cogent argument?

  • Evanescence
    Evanescence

    I'm against abortion.

    Funny you raised this I was about to do a debate about it! but it got cancelled!

    I was third speaker, what I normally do is make up possible arguments the other team would raise and write a rebuttle to it.

    Here are some things I've prepared.

    1. The baby is de-formed so they should not have human rights.

    So are you saying that a handicapped person or someone born without an arm or not quite formed in the head as we are that we have the right to do whatever we want to them? No they have rights just because they are not “formed” the way we are t doesn’t mean we should take their rights away from them.

    1. What about rape victims? Should they go through the pain of having an Unwanted child? And wouldn’t the child remind the mother of the attacker.

    You will find that some women still love their children even if they were raped.

    The child doesn’t necessarily remind the mother of their attacker either. In most cases the attacker is a complete stranger who attack women.

    A life is a life and a Human is a human, And as revolting as the act of rape may be it cannot be considered the moral co-equal of life. Only life itself is ethically comparable to life. Therefore a sexual violation cannot possibly justify a death, particularly the death of one completely devoid of any criminal intention. Should a child be punished by death because of the actions of his father?

    Once a women has gone through the emotional pain of being raped, nothing can be done to erase the emotional pain what’s done is done. If a mother was to have an abortion she would also have to go through the emotional pain in knowing that she killed an innocent life. It can help to know that even though you went through the pain and unfortunate event on being raped at least you know that you got a life out of it all. Good things can come out of bad. We know that there are one unfortunate victim after rape why make it two?

    3.Abortion is ok before 3 months.

    What are you do judge when life starts?

    Is it right to kill a caterpillar in its cocoon?

    What if one was to have an abortion 1 day after three months have passed? I presume that it would be ok one day won’t make a difference, ok then what about 15 days after three months have passed? Well I guess that could be ok but its starting to get a bit dicey here.

    The point is you cannot decide when life starts or decide when having an abortion is ok. It’s clear that a sperm is life. Life starts at conception. Abortion is never ok! Even if it’s not quite in human form, it is still a life and will become a human just like a caterpillar in a cocoon will become a butterfly.

    1. Earth is overpopulated.

    There is plenty of space for everyone! How can you say such a thing! Should we make such excuses as these to allow death? All human beings are valued. That baby that was aborted and killed could have been the next pope or prime minister!

    All have the freedom to live no one should decide the fate of death on another.

    5. Women should do what they want to their body.

    No one has the right to take someone else’s rights.

    Murder is against the law and against most religions.

    Are you saying that it’s ok for a women to suicide, take illegal drugs or enter into prostitution? All these are against the law. The law is there to protect yours and other people’s rights and safety.

    No body has absolute control over his/her body either in God’s eyes or secular law.

    The argument “Freedom to do what I want with my own body” is a weak argument for we have rights and responsibilities. Can you imagine a man on trial in court for drink diving and running over people using this argument? The pedestrians’ right to protection of life would defiantly overrule any rights this person would argue about his body.

    Its simple here no one has the right to murder others for the sake of her body.

    What’s the point in having an unwanted child?

    How can you call someone ‘unwanted’?

    Most of the time when a Mother has an “unplanned” “unwanted” child it generally ends up that the child gets a lot of love in the end. Everyone has the right to life! No excuses no exceptions you cannot come up with an excuse for death!

    There are no unwanted children only unwanting parents.

    Cause I only use them if the other team mentions it.

    Evanescence

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