Are You For or Against Abortion? (page 9)

Frog

The very fact that the topic of abortion is a highly contentious issue is evidence of the heavy weight of such a decision. Pesonally, I think that it's a little self-righteous for any man to get on his soapbox and give such bias vocal opinions. It is well and good that there are some men who take their pro-creative abilities seriouslly, but you must remember that for many young girls they are involved with men who don't. Can you imagine anything more frightening that being faced with the idea of motherhoos when you are but a child yourself? Sure they could have, and should have been much wiser, but we have to all take responsibility for a society changed, that no longer can promise the perfect ideal of family life.

freedom96

I am totally against abortion as a method of birth control. I am against it when someone just finds it bothersome to have a child. I certainly do believe that it is a child from the beginning.

However, I am torn when it comes to if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant, or when the doctors know for a fact that the child is severely disabled, etc.

jschwehm

Hi Odrade:

I agree that it is a poorly formed question but I did not ask the question.

I believe the vast majority of individuals in this country have the same belief that AK-Jeff has when he said: "I stand that morality dictates this [abortion] to be a wrongful taking of life." I chose not to use so many words and to call a spade a spade. To take life wrongfully is murder. It is not just my opinion. It is what society defines as murder. It is a shame that our Supreme Court has endorsed the wrongful taking of innocent life-murder.

We will be dealing with the horrible ramifications of this for centuries I fear. It will begin with our inability to keep Social Security going because our population growth is decreasing (due to contraception and abortion) creating a much smaller workforce. I spoke with a researcher at the Federal Reserve Bank in Chicago last fall who said that if people had had more kids over the last 30-40 years, our workforce would be large enough that we would not have the problems with Social Security that we have been having. The only thing that is saving us are the immigrants moving in, otherwise, our economy would be as bad as Europe's. And it will not be long before European civilization is gone unless people start procreating there.

I realize that many women who have had abortions have done this terrible thing for a variety of reasons and perhaps may have felt this was the best option they had. It is a terrible tragedy. I believe society as whole could do a whole lot better in preventing unwanted pregnancies so that abortion does not even have to be an option. However, when an unwanted pregnancy occurs, there are much better ways to deal with an unwanted pregnancy than killing the child and hurting the mother. Adoption is a great option that should be encouraged more and advocated more.

"Though it's not a happy choice, it is a right that the Supreme Court has granted to women. The right to not to be required to incubate another human in their body against their will."

Ouch! An incubator....my feminist sensibilities prevent me from referring to Mothers as mere incubators of other human beings. Mothers are gifts as is Motherhood. It is the most honorable profession a woman could have. Referring to mothers as incubators makes them sound like things and not people or mere objects and not a unique and potentially very loving and self-sacrificing individual. I guess I view women as more than just a machine.

Jeff S.

tetrapod.sapien

i am pro-choice. but this does not make me pro-abortion, as there is no such thing. no one wants to go through with an abortion just for the heck of it.

i am for carrying the fetus to term if it can be helped, but as a last resort, pro-choice.

in the early first trimester, the fetus can be removed with a syringe. that's how small it is.

it's a DNA program executing with small variations caused by environmental factors, that we call mutations.

there is no sapience. there is no soul. there are no thoughts, feelings or memories.

here is a photo of a 10 week old fetus:

it's a fetus. not some mystery that people consider "soul".

Evanescence

Though it's not a happy choice, it is a right that the Supreme Court has granted to women. The right to not be required to incubate another human in their body against their will. And I would never be in favor of a law that said they must do so.

Its a right they granted to the women but what about the right to life? If a mother was to have an abortion wouldn't that be taking away the baby's right to live?

Its simple if you don't want a baby then don't have sex! or if you must use a condom

People should only have sex if they wish to have a child, simple. That is the whole purpose isn't it?

Evanescence

Frog

it's a DNA program executing with small variations caused by environmental factors, that we call mutations.

very technical rational language you've used their TPS! I don't that you can impersonalise it as much as you have.

tetrapod.sapien

very technical rational language you've used their TPS! I don't that you can impersonalise it as much as you have.

well, certainly, the genome is indeed "human". so one cannot really say that the fetus is not human yet. if it carries the genome of a human, it's a human. and of course, if the fetus is carried to term, it has much potential as a human, in life. i am aware of that future potential. it's sad that it has to happen.

but it's not really killing, as it's not sentient, yet. i think a small technical review helps to illustrate that.

of course, in the end, i have no reason to really convince myself, as it is the woman's choice.

Evanescence

However, I am torn when it comes to if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant

I can understand the emotional pain the woman would have to go through after being raped.

However if the rape victem was also to have an abortion it would benefit them to have a life come out through all this disaster.

Once the woman has been raped abortion cannot the memories and emotional pain what is done is done, the baby shouldn't be punished for his/her fathers actions.

Should a woman respond to the rape by taking a life?

Remember adoption is always an option

A life is a life.

Has anyone read the book "The case against abortion a logical argument for life" by Lori Van Winden

Evanescence

the_classicist

there is no soul.

Now can you prove that scientifically, tetra, or are we dealing with unfalsifiable statements again?

Frog

of course, in the end, i have no reason to really convince myself, as it is the woman's choice.

OH! That sort of reasoning really gets on my goat (your lucky I otherwise like you;)! A little more shared responsibility among the genders would go a long way to reducing the statistics that cause us to engage in these debates in the first place.

I don't believe that the man should be absent from the decision making process, unless of course he is missing in action. I think the doner is equally as morally accountable for the repercussions of their actions...don't get me making gross generalisations now about how typically men pass the buck when the hard questions are askedFrog

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